I wouldn't buy a car without at least "Level 3" autonomy

On the other hand, nobody is interested in your opinion.

Sincerely,

All of LRC

You trust the software to crash your car and kill you. 🤔

Has your PC or phone ever crashed, slowed way down, lost connection to headphones or other device, or just frozen for a brief period? The answer is yes. Now imagine you are doing 65mph in traffic and your car computer freezes or a sensor momentarily stops communicating with the CPU. There are arguments for and against, but this alone is a serious risk. Another is that the driving computer cannot possibly be programmed to handle every scenario and that will cause accidents.

We don't have autonomous trains and they cannot deviate from a set path and all crossings are known and controlled. Cars encounter 100s of vehicles and people and objects crossing their path on every drive.

Right now, autonomous vehicles are the wild west and no one really knows who is legally liable. The companies advertise "self driving", but read the fine print. You have to be paying attention and ready to take over because they are claiming no responsibility for accidents. If they become accountable for all accidents, self driving cars will evaporate like a puddle in the Mojave Desert.

As an embedded software developer I would never put my family's life in the hands of someones software and electronics just to avoid the hassle of driving.

ATM, Level 3 barely exists. I think Audi has one and Honda (?) said they were going to release one, but that's about it. Tesla's FSD is Level 2.

I would not prefer an early edition.

Level 5 is a joke. It is not possible. Computing power does not exist for a scene you cannot break.

self - driving trains doesnt even exist and they are going always straight on one line, how can a car with milion directions to go drive itself ?

While that's all true you already put your family's life in the potential hands of another drive who may be intoxicated, or texting, or just not paying attention. Over 90% of accidents are human error not mechanical or software failures.

The idea of autonomous vehicles is to remove the human error aspect of driving. Of course technology is not perfect but it can be improved, while human failings will always be with us.

careless driver wrote:

While that's all true you already put your family's life in the potential hands of another drive who may be intoxicated, or texting, or just not paying attention. Over 90% of accidents are human error not mechanical or software failures.

The idea of autonomous vehicles is to remove the human error aspect of driving. Of course technology is not perfect but it can be improved, while human failings will always be with us.

What you're talking about exists mostly in examples like Musk's tunnels, which work more like a parking lot conveyor belt.

You shouldn't post on letsrun while driving. It's very dangerous.

I'd get a tesla with autonomous driving, of course all computers aren't perfect, but if we shoot the down the idea of autonomous vehicles, how will we ever improve? It's like the first vehicles, the first airplanes, there are going to be failures, but with failsafes put in place, I.E the human taking control, and learning from the computer failures, the computer technicians, whatever you want to call them can make improvements until there's a 99.9% likelihood of computer errors and accidents. I for one would love to drive an autonomous vehicle at this moment, I will never drive again until I have a tesla with those features or a car with similar capabilities. I don't drive at the moment, I walk to work every day and take public transportation when I need things, save a lot of money by doing so.

Level 5 can never be possible. You can prove this in theory.

Driving may become “cringe” but I enjoy it. Probably because I live in NYC so I only drive when I want to (and usually on emptier roads outside the city). If I were commuting everyday I could see how these features would be nice.

Level 5 is a long way away though, but the tech is moving quickly.

For those that talk about the tech errors, they are much smaller than human errors. And if you had all cars operating this way you would be in a much safer world (and I’m sure the software will be programmed to have the most conservative outcome for tech “bugs”). Although you do get into interesting debates (crash into car in front of you and potentially kill occupant vs swerve onto sidewalk and run into X number of people).

The train example isn’t a great one. The reason being the incentives aren’t there (in value of getting rid of conductors, cost of replacing all locomotives, pushback from employees, basically does it make you $$, etc), the tech in railroads is way behind, etc. Not saying it’s easy or the tech is there, but railroads probably won’t be the ones leading in innovation (vs the number of car manufacturers trying to solve this problem). But it should be a much easier problem for trains.

Planes have amazing autopilot (although there you have the argument that traffic just isn’t bad and you aren’t surrounded by people, buildings,etc).

Hardloper wrote:

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I don't currently own a car but if and when I buy one I don't think I would consider one that isn't level 3 autonomous. Driving yourself seems like it will become kinda cringe in the 2020s.

Makes sense....

He belongs to a political party that thinks for him..

He owns a car that drives for him..

hill_runner wrote:

self - driving trains doesnt even exist and they are going always straight on one line, how can a car with milion directions to go drive itself ?

You know this stuff already exists, right (level 3, not level 5). As mentioned above, there's not enough incentive for self driving trains in terms of cost or safety improvements.

Film Rep wrote:

You trust the software to crash your car and kill you. 🤔

+1

You should be able to crash your car and kill yourself all by yourself!

Film Rep wrote:

You trust the software to crash your car and kill you. 🤔

Software does everything on today's cars including reacting when you turn the steering wheel, dumb@ss.

There were peasants in the early 1900s who thought cars would never be widely used. In the future you probably won't even be allowed to drive your car.

No system is perfect. But the point is to develop a system that is 2 to 3 times safer than a human driver.

Do some research into neural nets and MuZero. Level 5 autonomous driving will happen for certain. It might be next year or it might be ten years. But it will happen.

Hi Hardloper!