NOP case closed. All athletes cleared.

Does WADA think we are all stupid and will bend over? They banned Salazar for what they claim are doping methods and not a single athlete or other person involved at Nike or NOP had any involvement or doped? Not even Galen Rupp? This sounds and smells like it was just a targetted assissination of Salazar by WADA simply because Salazar didn't pay them bribe money like Lance Armstrong did.

So where there's smoke, there's no fire.

Ernest wrote:

So where there's smoke, there's no fire.

Not surprised at all. It was just a Witch hunt after Alberto. Let's suspend a coach who had not athletes cheat. Makes perfect sense

Seconded. I think a lot of us have felt for a long time, and reasonably felt for a long time, that what Mr. Salazar observably did (given the evidence and what he was actually convicted of) was minimally exceed the limit of the rules.

My first time coming to the boards was in 2015 I think related to russian doping news. Some other running news outlet that I legitimately can't remember wrote a real gossipy piece about american runners also being implicated, and it was being discussed on here.

The other thing that I was aware of at the time was steroid microdosing. I was in the army at the time, and in a combat arms unit. A lot of guys were doing steroids, and social barriers to entry were relatively low even if you weren't directly involved. There was a significant enough chunk of guys who were microdosing and discussing it openly for me to figure out what the concept was and have a surface level understanding of it.

It wouldn't make sense for salazar to risk this type of testing unless he was already (and already had been) engaged in wrongful conduct elsewhere. It's not reasonable to look at a guy who says "I want to get american distance running medals at any cost" and expect him to act in good faith in regards to the rules.

He's in a leader and mentor position for all of these athletes, sometimes from very early on in their lives. The relationship between Galen Rupp and Albuterol (spelling?) has been often-addressed, as well as his whole handling of Jordan Hasay. I mean, she hasn't been the same since 2019 and what's the primary alteration that we've seen to the portrait of her running situation? The absence of Alberto Salazar.

Let's not pretend like these hacks at WADA that investigate running are any less corrupt - or even different - people than those that investigate weightlifting. The UFC is a(n ALLEGEDLY) corrupt organization that opted-in to USADA to provide it social and legal legitimacy. I shouldn't have to tell people to think of the Jon Jones Picogram scandal, or the whole network of privacy around shelby houlihan's investigation and ban. I really don't think it makes sense to just discount those athletes without truly putting them in that contextual environment.

It's not that odd to have an injury(s) that significantly effects practice for a few years, even at low practice volumes, with no contractual obligation to race. A lot has to go right for a season to look good on paper, judging it by race results. You like to pretend that you have all sorts of information on what these elites are, But by the time Jordan Hasay was in 7th grade she'd already done a number of races that you are entirely clueless about how she managed to get those races done. You know very near nothing about the practices she has done for any season of her life. You come on here and talk bullsh!t, which is in fact all you are qualified to talk. there are many many reasons a person can get stuck at slower speeds for years, without bringing in any accusation of various special sauces. I know a lot of people who have gone through significant injuries. Many never recover.

That's that. wrote:

"The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has ruled that no further proceedings are necessary against other individuals in the Nike Oregon Project (NOP) case." This is after reviewing countless testimony and over 2000 pages of documentation.

I am going to put this article up on the front page. However, the title I'm going to use is this, "NOP case officially closed. No athletes will be charged" which is different than the OP's title of "NOP case closed. All athletes cleared."

You can never really be cleared in terms of potential doping. There is no way to prove you are innocent.

The athletes weren't cleared - they just weren't charged.

In fact, I know of a Colorado alum who told a buddy of mine that based on what he read he felt Ritz doped (maybe inadvertently) based on the amount of L-Carnitine it sounded like he got.

Now does any of this mean they doped?Or that even if he did violate the rules with tha tL-Carnitine that he should have been charged? Of course not.

I just think the OP's title isn't correct.

SFC 77 wrote:

Ernest wrote:

So where there's smoke, there's no fire.

Not surprised at all. It was just a Witch hunt after Alberto. Let's suspend a coach who had not athletes cheat. Makes perfect sense

Nothing new here. Everyone knows Salazar was banned for one reason - because he's an azzhole and no one likes him.

Except Shelby I guess, she should be cleared according to LRC.

Rojo hates the verbiage. How about this one Rojo?

WADA has found convincing evidence that Shelby Houlihan is more guilty NOW than Galen Rupp was anytime in his career.

Kara Goucher goes home devastated! SUCK IT liberals!!!

i believe in USA wrote:

Rojo hates the verbiage. How about this one Rojo?

WADA has found convincing evidence that Shelby Houlihan is more guilty NOW than Galen Rupp was anytime in his career.

Do you contend that Houlihan was somehow affiliated with NOP or Salazar? That's news to me....

Anyway, I agree with Rojo. Not getting caught and charged is dissimilar to being proven clean. No East German athlete was ever caught or charged that I can find evidence of. That's my standard response to :

"No NOP runner has ever tested positive!"

That’s not at all what I’m saying. Shelby is obviously coached by Jerry. Rupp by Alberto (for most of his career.

The problem with Rojo and this entire board is that if we like someone they are innocent. If we don’t they are guilty.

How about this one? Jerry has had an athlete popped in the last decade and Alberto hasn’t. And both have had athletes investigated by the same group and both were sponsored by Nike.

You can’t say Rupp got away with it because he was a Nike athlete? SO WAS SHELBY.

He broke the rules. It doesn't matter if he just slid a little into the gray area or went full team postal, it is boolean. He either did or he didn't.

No further proceedings doesn't mean they aren't all in the gray area, remember Lance never failed a test either and shouted down detractors with that. It wasn't true

This may shock you, but not everyone is swayed by the “never tested positive” argument considering the multitude of people who have beaten testing over the course of history.

Rupp is free to fly in Chicago. FTW?

Should be BLACK front page news for LetsRun that Rupp, Goucher(s), Ritz, Webb, Farah, are ALL CLEARED and apologies made.

Well..... wrote:

i believe in USA wrote:

Rojo hates the verbiage. How about this one Rojo?

WADA has found convincing evidence that Shelby Houlihan is more guilty NOW than Galen Rupp was anytime in his career.

Do you contend that Houlihan was somehow affiliated with NOP or Salazar? That's news to me....

Anyway, I agree with Rojo. Not getting caught and charged is dissimilar to being proven clean. No East German athlete was ever caught or charged that I can find evidence of. That's my standard response to :

"No NOP runner has ever tested positive!"

Yep. That's my standard response to you mom doesn't take up the bottom from the Easter Bunny as well.

The downside - Nike still won't bring back their uber-cool NOP gear.

B T wrote:

Well..... wrote:

Do you contend that Houlihan was somehow affiliated with NOP or Salazar? That's news to me....

Anyway, I agree with Rojo. Not getting caught and charged is dissimilar to being proven clean. No East German athlete was ever caught or charged that I can find evidence of. That's my standard response to :

"No NOP runner has ever tested positive!"

Yep. That's my standard response to you mom doesn't take up the bottom from the Easter Bunny as well.

^ PEDs have addled the sectors of BT's brain controlling speech.