shes dangerously thin.i dont see her having a long career.
shes dangerously thin.i dont see her having a long career.
koko fan wrote:
Haven't seen any other threads mentioning her but she seems to be off this season.
Because she is a constant clusterfocken.
Google pics of her. Damn. She 100% has an eating disorder. It’s not even debatable.
It’s not my business or concern. It’s just a fact.
jeff tallon wrote:
shes dangerously thin.i dont see her having a long career.
Does she want a long career ..? She runs at a world class level than retires. The heavy set gals that Al yelled at were the ones who could not focus on the task of being a pro runner.
Jo72 wrote:
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Klosterhalfen was down since Salazar. 14:35 was the most encouraging performance I've seen from her since 2019. It was Doha 2019 when Salazar's ban started. He was on his way there and not allowed to enter. She was a 14:20s runner then and seemed ready to go faster with ideal pacing and good conditions. 31:01 isn't even close to what a 14:20s runner like her should do at 10k. I'd think well under 30 was commensurate at her best. It was 2017 when she ran 1:59.65 and 2:04's her best since. 3:59 in 2019, nothing since at 1500m. She's 16 seconds slower at 3k (8:36) than 2019 (8:20). 9 seconds at 5. Her best since.
She was out for several months because of a stress fracture in fall 2020 and again in spring 2021. I am quite impressed that she is as fast again after all these troubles. And she ran 14:30 indoors as well as 4:17 in the Millrose mile in february 2020. She has not run a real 800m since 2017, the 2:04 were all from small meetings where she doubled and she also obviously shifted focus from 1500 (in 2017) to 5000m and now also 10000m.
Of course 31:01 is not what an 8:20/14:26 runner should be able to run. But it was only her second 10k race and for both she was not even close to 2019 shape. (The race in february was her first after long injury and run defensively with negative split, lapping the entire field.) Other, more experienced 10k runners ran 40-60 secs. behind their bests under Tokyo conditions, almost everyone in the field except for the silver medalist, the Japanese on #7 and Koko ran quite a bit behind their PB because it was so hot. One cannot compare such races with a BTC perfect condition TT.
Yes, that is correct and I believe her 10,000 m potential on the track lies somewhere in this region: 29:50-30:05, depending on the day and conditions. She certainly has the physical capability to run such a time and the under distance times to show equivalency. Also, I’m being conservative here because in ideal conditions, absolutely ideal, I can see this German girl running in the 2930 to 2945 range.
I predicted this decline a while ago for the reason we all know, and my comments were deleted.
Not surprised at all. Sad.
Call me Moa wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
shes dangerously thin.i dont see her having a long career.
Does she want a long career ..? She runs at a world class level than retires. The heavy set gals that Al yelled at were the ones who could not focus on the task of being a pro runner.
Koko has run internationally on a high level since 2014 (4th at Youth Olympics) and already had a longer career than Cain, Efraimson (technically not finished but unlikely to get to the top of the US again) and lots of other teen/junior phenoms. Of course we hope for a long career and one should not ruin one's health but high level sports is not really healthy anyway and injuries happen. She has been very thin since being one of the top national junior athletes but until 2020 was only injured once (2018, and this was not bone-related). Something did not go well in 2020-21 but before that she never had a stress fracture which is an absolute rarity among runners, especially young females. So she could perform at a high level for 5 years while being very thin and this balance can be found again, I think.
Always highly appreciate your posts.
Indeed.
Since at least 5 years people keep predicting that KoKo will inevitably collapse within 2 years, and it doesn't seem to happen that easily. Nor has it happened with Sifan Hassan who has a similar build.
And there are more examples: In 2010 I participated in (the mass start section of) the GER at Addis Abeba, and at the pasta party the day before I came to stand near Berhane Adere, who was wearing shorts in the occasion. Legs with almost no calves and thighs not much thicker than my calves, but proven to have a lot of power. She was almost 37 at the time and had been world class for more than a decade.
Since then I noticed that even here in Germany, I regularly run into girls with very thin legs but a healthy (non-anorexic) facial expression so that might actually be their natural build.
lke_4:25 wrote:
Fair to say
Ha, didn't see that coming. Kudos for accepting criticism without getting defensive!
Not an unfair question. Tages Spiegel ran a special in August on extremely thin athletes, featuring both Hassan and Klosterhalfen.
"It is very thin, and I can also see fluffy, fine body hair," says Bloch. "That goes in the direction of the clinical picture anorexia athletica."
This is predisposition, genetically determined, says Kirschbaum. “The mother is also very slim.” At least he also sees: “Of course, Koko also has to be careful and mustn't lose a kilo too much. Otherwise the strength will be lacking. " -- Tono Kirschbaum.
I am a fan of KoKo. Non-controversial, humble and very low key. A solid performer from a young age. Hope she recovers and gets a medal in the next Worlds/Olympics.
dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:
Google pics of her. Damn. She 100% has an eating disorder. It’s not even debatable.
It’s not my business or concern. It’s just a fact.
"You cannot tell if someone has an eating disorder simply from appearance."
"Did you see that woman - she clearly has an eating disorder."
Simply looking at Koko and determining she has an eating disorder is irresponsible. While there might be visual signs that one can look for, they are in no way definitive. Some should do research on the topic before coming to conclusions about an individual who they most likely never met, aren't familiar with her or her family, and any genetic history, or the many other factors that could affect one's body .
If you are really concerned about eating disorders in track and field, work to promote appropriate ways to have unemotional conversations in optimizing nutrition and weight so as to achieve peak training and performance and sustain that over time.
koko fan wrote:
What happened to Konstanze Klosterhalfen?
Same thing that happened to all of NOP after Salazar was banned for doping violations, not to mention NOP's go-to thyroid prescriber (based in Texas, of course), Dr Jeffrey Brown.
No more soon-to-be-banned coach, no more soon-to-be-banned doctor, and surprise surprise, "mysteriously" declining performances follow.
Let's just call it "POST-SALAZAR SYNDROME" already.
Apparently your post goes home devastated after Kokos dominating performance for Gold!! Bunch of nonsensical gibberish that.
Bottom line....Koko is back!!