Monster result, Mboma (female) runs 9.86 final split for Namibia in World juniors 4 by 100 meters women in Nairobi

Ghost1 wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Mboma

She has only been running for a few years and she has phenomenal talent. She started out as a middle distance runner in the 800 m and 1500 m. She comes from a very poor family and was abandoned by her father and then her mother died when she was still a child so she was the breadwinner for her younger siblings. Let’s give credit to this brave woman. She’s not asking for anything. Her main motivation is to please her coach Mr. Botha. She’s a simple lady and this comes out in interviews.

Well said.

She's running for her life and her family's life.

khcglhc wrote:

The women 800m was always spiky. Typically, stars have not been able to hold top performance for more than one year

1976: Kazankina 1:54.96…. Then nothing

Jump to 1980

1980: Mineyeva 1:54.8 and Olizarenko 1:53.4… then nothing

Jump to 1982

1982: Melinte 1:55.0… then nothing

1983: jarmila 1:53.2… then nothing

Jump to 1989

1989: Quirot 1:54.4… but then again in 1997 1:54.8?? Then nothing until Jelimo showed up in 2008 for that one year as a junior (1:54,0)

Then we had to wait until 2018 (Caster 1:54.2), which she followed up in 2019 with 1:54.98

The early 80s were strong. We had a few glimpses with Quirot, Jelimo and Caster in the past 30 years.

It’s actually the first time in the last 35 years that the 800m void was filled so fast.

Nice historical recap.

Thank you.

How do you explain those girls were running so fast back in the late 70s and early 80s? Now, if girls beat two minutes (2:00) they’re considered World class.

RunRagged wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

As I said above, she is DSD, which means she has external female genitalia but internal testes. That isn't a "tranny". The IAAF rules regarding testosterone levels for females prevent her from running longer events.

Please stop saying that persons with the DSD conditions covered by the current WA regulations pertaining to testosterone levels in athletes competing in women's events have "external female genitalia." They do not. They have male genitalia that did not form properly in utero.

Whether they have malformed, minuscule or missing penises, the genitalia of persons with the covered DSD conditions is markedly different to female genitalia in appearance, nature and function in myriad ways.

They have breasts can't you see

Charlatan wrote:

Race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa2lqnQMxJg

I noticed it before watching her kick. She has extremely fast reflexes.

That’s still over a second slower than the fastest male relay split, not that different from the difference in the 100m sprint itself, so why are folks crying DSD foul?

Ain't 1857 wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

https://www.marca.com/en/olympic-games/2021/08/03/6109169fe2704ecd7f8b45b4.html

Sour grapes, or justified resentment? Polish sprinter vents his concern.

We know Ubas is not a woman but as to whether

he is any man at all,there are doubts.

We have thought the same thing about your trolling for years...

bomba wrote:

That’s still over a second slower than the fastest male relay split, not that different from the difference in the 100m sprint itself, so why are folks crying DSD foul?

That's right.

Plus, I mean, look at her. She is small.

I don't see a physical frame that benefited from high levels of testosterone during development.

She is diminutive compared to an Amazonian woman such as

Daphne Schippers 5'10" 150 lb.

Mboma does have one thing:

Extraordinary reflexes and fluidity that she can maintain at high steps tempo.

And she is extremely determined.

Africa is the mother of all of us.

If someone extraordinary is coming out of Africa, they are closer to that root of strength.

The standard of a woman should lie there and not far away from the root.

bomba wrote:

That’s still over a second slower than the fastest male relay split, not that different from the difference in the 100m sprint itself, so why are folks crying DSD foul?

That just means they're of mediocre talent, it doesn't make it less wrong.

From Wikipedia

Women's 4x100 m

The fastest electronically timed anchor leg run is 8.65 seconds by Usain Bolt at the 2015 IAAF World Relays,[5] while Bob Hayes was hand-timed as running 8.7 seconds on a cinder track in the 1964 Tokyo Games Final. The Tokyo Games also had electronic timing; upon video review, Hayes ran 8.6 seconds in the final and an astonishing 8.5 seconds in the semi-final.[6]

The women's world record stands at 40.82 seconds, set by the United States in 2012 at the London Olympics. The fastest anchor leg run by a woman is 9.70 by Carmelita Jeter.

So mediocre split for a man, but close to all-time best for women.

Now what are the odds that, of the tiny population of DSD athletes, multiple of them wound up being capable of running all-time performances.

I seriously would like to hear Sha'carri Richardsons opinion on this issue,

I think she would give an honest answer. She stands to lose tons of money due to DSD athletes.

RunRagged wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

As I said above, she is DSD, which means she has external female genitalia but internal testes. That isn't a "tranny". The IAAF rules regarding testosterone levels for females prevent her from running longer events.

Please stop saying that persons with the DSD conditions covered by the current WA regulations pertaining to testosterone levels in athletes competing in women's events have "external female genitalia." They do not. They have male genitalia that did not form properly in utero.

Whether they have malformed, minuscule or missing penises, the genitalia of persons with the covered DSD conditions is markedly different to female genitalia in appearance, nature and function in myriad ways.

Not accurate at all. You can't make blanket statements like that. Yes, sometimes, but not always.

I feel for Mboma. She had no idea she had this condition until 2021. Imagine growing up, doing athletics and then being told that. I don't think it's fair that DSD athletes compete in the women's category but I think it should be handled sensitively.

Ghost1 wrote:

Insane split, by Mboma, Namibia. She took the baton in fifth or sixth place and reeled everyone except Jamaica. Mboma - phenom, extra terrestrial!

She is the Usain Bolt of women’s athletics. Absolute Monster (in a positive sense).

A) This is a huge problem that could have been addressed by dealing with the Semenya case properly instead of defining it for a limited number of events.

B) 4X100 splits are a very tool of comparrison. If you understand at all how they are measured you know they do not accurately reflect what you can run in the 100m since they can vary wildly based on leg and when you get and pass the baton. Not to mention the timing of the split has the tendency to be suspect.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:B) 4X100 splits are a very tool of comparrison. If you understand at all how they are measured you know they do not accurately reflect what you can run in the 100m since they can vary wildly based on leg and when you get and pass the baton. Not to mention the timing of the split has the tendency to be suspect.

This. Look at the splits. Not saying the Mboma isn't insanely fast, but all the 2nd and 4th legs are substantially faster than the 1st and 3rd legs. Seeing the "9" at the front of the split feels crazy, but her time isn't out of the norm for an Olympic 200m medalist.

123454321 wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:B) 4X100 splits are a very tool of comparrison. If you understand at all how they are measured you know they do not accurately reflect what you can run in the 100m since they can vary wildly based on leg and when you get and pass the baton. Not to mention the timing of the split has the tendency to be suspect.

This. Look at the splits. Not saying the Mboma isn't insanely fast, but all the 2nd and 4th legs are substantially faster than the 1st and 3rd legs. Seeing the "9" at the front of the split feels crazy, but her time isn't out of the norm for an Olympic 200m medalist.

Data for that claim? Who else?

Given the leg 3 time is comparatively slow, was it not just a case of the exchange happening late on in the zone?

No, namibia isn't known for sprints so the other two normal girls were the slowest on their legs