"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Woah vaccination rate and hospitalization rate are anti-correlated in the US.

Who would have thought??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitalization-map/

In the US, for the month of August, you were 6.1X more likely to test positive and 11.3X more likely to die from COVID if you were unvaccinated!

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: Confirmed.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Harambe wrote:

Woah vaccination rate and hospitalization rate are anti-correlated in the US.

Who would have thought??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitalization-map/

LFH and anti-vax morons: blah blah blah I can’t hear you!!!

Uprising wrote:

Yet The Vaccinators have been using "cases" to scare monger this scamdemic since day one.

Having it both ways much?

Pandemic of The Vaccinators. Confirmed.

Vaccinators going home to grind their teeth to powder.

The ironic thing is that this thread has mostly been about hospitalizations, ICU admissions, need for ventilators and deaths. Pretty much the only ones still talking about the number of cases are the dwindling number of people with their heads in the sand about the vaccine.

Does the study they are trumpeting even account for testing rates? I don't think so.

Hospitalization data shows the correlation clearly. Pandemic of the unvaccinated. Confirmed.

Increasingly this is becoming a pandemic of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Here are the latest numbers from Mesa County in Colorado:

Vaccination rate = 52%

Cases = 14.27% vaccinated, 85.73% unvaccinated

Hospitalizations = 12.97% vaccinated, 87.03% unvaccinated

Deaths = 18.18% vaccinated, 81.82% unvaccinated

Reinfections = 144

Break through cases = 1,362

Since they started tracking break through infections, the proportion of the cases among vaccinated individuals has increased steadily. Natural immunity is far more effective at preventing future infections than vaccination. Finally, the CFR for the vaccinated is as high, if not slightly higher than the unvaccinated, indicating that those suffering from confirmed breakthrough cases are just as likely as the unvaccinated to die from COVID. Yes, vaccinations are still the best strategy for the old and frail. The risks for the young and healthy are minimal (hospitalizations and deaths for those under 25 are at or below historic levels). Vaccines are not without risks.

joed|rtball wrote:

Increasingly this is becoming a pandemic of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Here are the latest numbers from Mesa County in Colorado:

Vaccination rate = 52%

Cases = 14.27% vaccinated, 85.73% unvaccinated

Hospitalizations = 12.97% vaccinated, 87.03% unvaccinated

Deaths = 18.18% vaccinated, 81.82% unvaccinated

Reinfections = 144

Break through cases = 1,362

Since they started tracking break through infections, the proportion of the cases among vaccinated individuals has increased steadily. Natural immunity is far more effective at preventing future infections than vaccination. Finally, the CFR for the vaccinated is as high, if not slightly higher than the unvaccinated, indicating that those suffering from confirmed breakthrough cases are just as likely as the unvaccinated to die from COVID. Yes, vaccinations are still the best strategy for the old and frail. The risks for the young and healthy are minimal (hospitalizations and deaths for those under 25 are at or below historic levels). Vaccines are not without risks.

6/10. Way to stay committed to the bit.

Harambe wrote:

Woah vaccination rate and hospitalization rate are anti-correlated in the US.

Who would have thought??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitalization-map/

Here is the summarizing quote directly from your linked article,

"The delta covid wave carves a dividing line across the country defined by one rule: Regions with more vaccinations have fewer hospitalizations."

That seems clear.

Japan basically buried COVID in a matter of weeks cuz everyone just got vaxxed…if only it could happen here https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-lifestyle-japan-e60d760da11f9cadda1d8acab2a6fbf5

joed|rtball wrote:

Increasingly this is becoming a pandemic of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Here are the latest numbers from Mesa County in Colorado:

Vaccination rate = 52%

Cases = 14.27% vaccinated, 85.73% unvaccinated

Hospitalizations = 12.97% vaccinated, 87.03% unvaccinated

Deaths = 18.18% vaccinated, 81.82% unvaccinated

Reinfections = 144

Break through cases = 1,362

Since they started tracking break through infections, the proportion of the cases among vaccinated individuals has increased steadily. Natural immunity is far more effective at preventing future infections than vaccination. Finally, the CFR for the vaccinated is as high, if not slightly higher than the unvaccinated, indicating that those suffering from confirmed breakthrough cases are just as likely as the unvaccinated to die from COVID. Yes, vaccinations are still the best strategy for the old and frail. The risks for the young and healthy are minimal (hospitalizations and deaths for those under 25 are at or below historic levels). Vaccines are not without risks.

Aren't most breakthrough infections among demographic groups that are precisely more likely to experience severe disease or death from covid? Interpreting vaccine efficacy and CFR among vaccinated population seems to be misleading when done this way, at least when not comparing their CFR directly to similar demographic groups who are not vaccinated.

Also, the metrics you posted above seem to support the idea of a pandemic of the unvaccinated, even if natural infection does offer good protection (though that doesn't seem to be a certainty; natural immunity can be quite variable and some other studies show natural immunity doesn't provide better protection, and that immunity with respect to lasting protection against severe disease is higher from vaccination.)

2600 bro wrote:

In the US, for the month of August, you were 6.1X more likely to test positive and 11.3X more likely to die from COVID if you were unvaccinated!

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: Confirmed.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

In August, most of the areas with high vaxx rates were urban areas with previous exposure and relatively high prior-infection immunity, hence lower death rates. Rural areas without prior exposure were experiencing the same higher death rates that urban areas had the year before. Now that natural T-cell immunity is now growing in those areas, the death rate is predictably plummeting in October. Vaccination is correlated, not causal.

Like every other viral outbreak in history, it is natural immunity which does the heavy lifting, while Big Pharma scrapes and scrambles to take the credit.

Scamdemic of The Vaccinators. Confirmed again.

A common misconception. Break through infections are occurring in all demographic groups but just like COVID in the unvaccinated, the old and infirm are typically the ones dying. The CFR between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed is not that much different.

Uprising wrote:

In August, most of the areas with high vaxx rates were urban areas with previous exposure and relatively high prior-infection immunity, hence lower death rates. Rural areas without prior exposure were experiencing the same higher death rates that urban areas had the year before. Now that natural T-cell immunity is now growing in those areas, the death rate is predictably plummeting in October. Vaccination is correlated, not causal.

Like every other viral outbreak in history, it is natural immunity which does the heavy lifting, while Big Pharma scrapes and scrambles to take the credit.

Scamdemic of The Vaccinators. Confirmed again.

How does this explain the drastic difference in death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations WITHIN a state? The vaccine is saving lives across the country, regardless of where you live.

Just comical babbling and stupidity trying to give credit to anything but the vax.

Also Vermont is doing great thanks to vaccinations despite minimal COVID deaths already. So your already dumb argument is even dumber.

joed|rtball wrote:

A common misconception. Break through infections are occurring in all demographic groups but just like COVID in the unvaccinated, the old and infirm are typically the ones dying. The CFR between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed is not that much different.

This is obviously wrong even from the bulk CDC stats. You're ~6x more likely to test positive without the vaccine but ~11x more likely to die with out.

You are now running around claiming that the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID and doesn't protect you when you do get it. Neither of these arguments are supported by the MASSIVE different in case, hospitalization, and death rates between vaxxed and unvaxxed people, even before controlling for Simpson's paradox-like effects that would swing the numbers even more in favor of the vaccine in the USA

Bare knuckles., wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Woah vaccination rate and hospitalization rate are anti-correlated in the US.

Who would have thought??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitalization-map/

Here is the summarizing quote directly from your linked article,

"The delta covid wave carves a dividing line across the country defined by one rule: Regions with more vaccinations have fewer hospitalizations."

That seems clear.

What is also notable about that map is that places that were ravaged by COVID early in the pandemic have lots of natural immunity, so their current hospitalizations and cases are low. An additional conclusion that could be drawn from the map is areas with large amounts of re-circulated outside air, or where people are spending lots of time indoors (Florida in the summer) as opposed to places with economizer operating on their HVAC units or spending lots of time outdoors (northern climates in the summer) have very low COVID spread (this is unchanged from the beginning of the pandemic). Where cases are increasing the fastest right now is in places like Vermont and Maine (places that are moving into heating season with recirculated air) that had low incidence of COVID early in the pandemic and are now relying on vaccinations that are not that great against the latest strains to provide protection. The only reason cases in places like New York and New Jersey are not sky rocketing is because of the much greater efficacy of natural immunity against reinfection than vaccination against breakthrough infection. Florida's vaccination rate is not that different than New York's. The reasons Florida had the spike in the summer that New York did not are less natural immunity from the early days of the pandemic (New York was hammered early on) and seasonal variations in transmission.

I always prefer data to Harambe propaganda, so I did a deep dive on data from another health department in Colorado. So here is the data from the tri-county health department:

Adams County since March 2021:

15% of cases are vaccinated (September - 29% of cases vaccinated)

13% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.76%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.91%

Arapahoe County since March 2021:

19% of cases are vaccinated (September - 36% of cases vaccinated)

17% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.58%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.66%

Douglas County since March 2021:

19% of cases are vaccinated (September - 40% of cases vaccinated)

22% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.50%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.43%

So, while there is a slight difference in CFR, it is not significant, and the increase in percentage of breakthrough cases points to waning immunity.

joed|rtball wrote:

I always prefer data to Harambe propaganda, so I did a deep dive on data from another health department in Colorado. So here is the data from the tri-county health department:

Adams County since March 2021:

15% of cases are vaccinated (September - 29% of cases vaccinated)

13% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.76%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.91%

Arapahoe County since March 2021:

19% of cases are vaccinated (September - 36% of cases vaccinated)

17% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.58%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.66%

Douglas County since March 2021:

19% of cases are vaccinated (September - 40% of cases vaccinated)

22% of deaths are vaccinated

CFR vaccinated = 0.50%

CFR unvaccinated = 0.43%

So, while there is a slight difference in CFR, it is not significant, and the increase in percentage of breakthrough cases points to waning immunity.

Can you please link to data when you post it?

Cmon joe, I am bored this evening and need to investigate