Molly Seidel training

Great post as always! On top of that, most recreational runners don't log such huge mileage as does Molly. That may also contribute to faster easy pace relative to their ability.

Is he wearing make-up too?

thanks

well....thanks for reminding me to get off my @ss and read her strava myself.

jecht wrote:

Alexi Santana wrote:

Yes those are her easy runs. Not sure what point you are trying to make by sharing your times

... even if I don't obviously run 2:27 or so.

Try sub-2:20 on a Berlin-type course. She was seconds behind the 2:14 WR holder.

800 dude wrote:

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:

I like how they call all her TEMPO runs threshold training cause they are against tempo training😋

+1

"Polarized training" is such nonsense. They work so hard to make everything fit the model, but even the original studies were not accurately describing the training they were looking at according to the actual athletes and coaches being observed. It's one of those models that's vague enough that you can squint and make anything look polarized. The real bottom line, though, is pretty clearly wrong: The "middle paces" that you're supposed to avoid are actually the paces that the world's best marathoners rely on most heavily.

It is a big more nuanced. MP and HM are sort of right on the edge(depending on how good you are) of training the approve and stuff this disapprove. And there has been a strong school of thought that the range between MP-> easy run is sort of a junk area where you get better results doing more volume easy or less volume harder. But the take away from the last 20 years of training has been less hard aerobic stuff(3k_5k) and more moderate (10k-mp) and higher volume (20-60 mins of work instead of 10_20) for large chunks of training.

And for most people easy runs slow down as the volume goes up. Cranking out 630s when you are doing 50mpw might be a similar effort as doing 7 min miles when you are running a 100mpw. There is just a fatigue you get with high mileage. And don't forget a lot of distance people are up at altitude which slows you down.

Reality Bath wrote:

Try sub-2:20 on a Berlin-type course. She was seconds behind the 2:14 WR holder.

the world record holder is also a mom. with twins. and molly has a lot of hype to live up to now , so good luck not falling into an injury cycle.

I want to know if she still has her orange kitty Banks.

AW Red and White wrote:

I want to know if she still has her orange kitty Banks.

I think the kitty lives with her parents

That is not polarized training. There's almost nothing of really high intensity in the detailed workouts shown around the 15-18 minute mark. Her "tempo" run and "progression" run are solidly in the half-marathon and marathon pace range, if you look at the slide at the 9-minute mark. Even her 8x400 workout is run in the 5k-to-10k-pace range, and accounts for something like only 5% of her weekly volume, while the tempo/progression run (on the same slide) is 10%. Methinks Seiler has a polarized axe to grind, but a pyramidal training pattern, like this, is associated with better results in distance athletes.

Seiler might, but Matt Fitzgerald, whose 80/20 Running is basically a product of Seiler's research, does not. 80/20 asks a steady dose of weekly high intensity training even for marathoners.

OMg wrote:

That is not polarized training. There's almost nothing of really high intensity in the detailed workouts shown around the 15-18 minute mark. Her "tempo" run and "progression" run are solidly in the half-marathon and marathon pace range, if you look at the slide at the 9-minute mark. Even her 8x400 workout is run in the 5k-to-10k-pace range, and accounts for something like only 5% of her weekly volume, while the tempo/progression run (on the same slide) is 10%. Methinks Seiler has a polarized axe to grind, but a pyramidal training pattern, like this, is associated with better results in distance athletes.

Polarized doesn't mean you do a ton of super fast stuff. In this schedule it is all about where you classify the HM-MP work. They are right at the edge of zone 2/3 depending on how you define them. Stressing about if you are running 522(bad) or 518(good) is stupid. Avoid running a lot of 530-620 miles? Probably smart.

When I look at the ingrebesteins training I see a ton of tempo work. I bet Seiler considers them a polarized training scheme.

Molly has a impressive start to her career, but it is a little early to call her a Greatest of All Time.