Nike renames Alberto Salazar building after SafeSport bans him for life

Ernest wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

No.

Yes.

See how that works? Just saying "No" isn't a statement of contrary fact or logical argument.

When provisional sanctions are regularly applied at the outset of investigation, the defendant suffers significant consequence well before a ruling is made. They haven't been found guilty, but are treated as if they were.

Lol. Nice try, but the argument came right after: there were three months between the allegations and the provisional ban, not exactly "immediate" like you claimed.

Btw, the AIU uses the same procedure, with a provisional ban after some months, and then the real ban after a longer time.

In any case, here the final ruling after the thorough investigation confirmed that the provisional ban was in order.

casual obsever wrote:

Ernest wrote:

Yes.

See how that works? Just saying "No" isn't a statement of contrary fact or logical argument.

When provisional sanctions are regularly applied at the outset of investigation, the defendant suffers significant consequence well before a ruling is made. They haven't been found guilty, but are treated as if they were.

Lol. Nice try, but the argument came right after: there were three months between the allegations and the provisional ban, not exactly "immediate" like you claimed.

Btw, the AIU uses the same procedure, with a provisional ban after some months, and then the real ban after a longer time.

In any case, here the final ruling after the thorough investigation confirmed that the provisional ban was in order.

It is plain observations and opinions in the post being replied to relate to SafeSport procedures in general. That is the topic I replied to and quoted.

Noting a timeline for handling of Salazar's specific SafeSport case, and holding that up as equitable, would be relevant if I'd stated the SafeSport process failed Salazar. Of if the singular example of Salazar's case proved handling of all SafeSport cases to be fair.

That a portion of provisional suspensions are ultimately warranted based on findings is no comfort to those ostracized then acquitted. If SafeSport's conviction-to-arrest rate is 1:4, it might be appropriate to re-visit when/how provisional suspensions are applied.

I do not have statistics on how many people are suspended by SafeSport and acquitted. It looks like a lot based on what's on figures gleaned from their site. It may be this is actually rare. But no one is offering evidence to support that.

Provisional suspensions by AIU seem more reasonable as doping allegations are nearly always borne out.

There's a big difference between scientific measurements being applied against published standards (AIU) and misconduct allegations (SafeSport), which have no arbitrary yard stick.

It’s best not to name buildings after people while they are still alive, just in case. Although flawed, Salazar was still a good coach. And it may not have been because of his craziness. Often just believing in your coach offers enough of a psychological boost for great performances. The altitude tents, questionable supplements, etc., were probably superfluous.

SafeSport sounds like such a joke. Fraudulent parasite of an organization.

3680 wrote:

It’s best not to name buildings after people while they are still alive, just in case. Although flawed, Salazar was still a good coach. And it may not have been because of his craziness. Often just believing in your coach offers enough of a psychological boost for great performances. The altitude tents, questionable supplements, etc., were probably superfluous.

+1 -absolutely, and he took his athletes that he coached to a higher level if they were able to withstand the intensity that he gave them. It certainly worked forRupp, Dathan, Mo, Hassan and others. The Canadian, Levins, had less success with Alberto but there are probably several factors which came into play here including the Canadian’s susceptibility to injury, and Alberto’s focus on quality which may not have suited Levin’s physical characteristics.

One has to feel sad that his career has ended in this way whereas in most of the countries Alberto would have been lauded and absolutely idolized for the results he produced despite his somewhat hierarchical training system in which no stones were left unturned. That is what it takes to achieve excellence.

I suspect that had he trained an “average” let’s run.com runner on here who had a best time of for example 16 minutes for 5000 m, he would’ve turned that 16:00 / 5000 m runner into a 14:30/5000 runner. He was a game changer.

This is not the way his career should’ve ended.

Lastly, his forced exit as a spectator from the world championships in Doha in 2019 was absolutely disgraceful and not needed. Massive overkill. Putting the hammer down in this way is not serving track and field in any useful way.

You do not seem keen on Safesport. Anything personal here? Athletes need somewhere to go do ya think??? As another post said, just be a decent person and you will not have any problems. Try it, it is simple.

SafeSport exists because of people like Larry Nassar, Loren Seagrave, Jerry Sandusky, countless others pervs, and the organizations/bureaucrats that went to great lengths to hide their crimes. Sadly, our society no longer cultivates decent people as an ideal. We worship "successful" people that get results no matter the methods used or the liberties taken.

Doped Up Real Estate Broker wrote:

SafeSport exists because of people like Larry Nassar, Loren Seagrave, Jerry Sandusky, countless others pervs, and the organizations/bureaucrats that went to great lengths to hide their crimes. Sadly, our society no longer cultivates decent people as an ideal. We worship "successful" people that get results no matter the methods used or the liberties taken.

100% you are spot on. Well said.

It does feel like Salazar has been treated disgracefully.

2021 society you can't tell someone how it is without offending/upsetting them.

A life time ban seems extreme.

Luv2Run wrote:

Lame new name...

I was going to say sure that's the point, keep it simple so it can't come back to bite you, but damn that it a very very lame name.

oregon juie wrote:

nike loves these guys: sleazy sal, rapist kobe, pedophile joepa, lance "never met a drug he didn't gobble" armstrong, flojo, doper decker, gatlin, doorbell mo, roid chacne centro, roid rage rowbury, bobblehead, etc, etc, etc......

Don't forget Not really Kiprop