mediocre sprinter wrote:
If Su had been able to replicate his run in the finals he may very well have medaled or even won gold if Lamont the Italian didn’t run so well.
If they hadn't scored twice, we would've had a draw.
mediocre sprinter wrote:
If Su had been able to replicate his run in the finals he may very well have medaled or even won gold if Lamont the Italian didn’t run so well.
If they hadn't scored twice, we would've had a draw.
Boling’s only shot is with max legal wind on a track like Eugene or Tokyo.
Lemaitre was clean, and never went sub-10 basic.
Su has great form and a good progression, and only did this 9.83 on this trampoline track. Only when he replicates it on a normal track will the red flag be raised from half mast. It is at half mast now because even though the track is sprung, the basic time is very fast.
ADG is now right at the limit of what I consider proven possible, in both the 1 and the 2...or maybe a bit faster. It’s a problem that he’s US-based. His red flag is at maybe quarter-mast.
These new tracks present a problem to my system of analysis. I accept that the results thereupon may be faster. We need to see how these guys perform on other, known tracks to get an idea of what these OG and Eugene times mean.
Interestingly, we will get to see some, hopefully, at Eugene again this season. Another data point.
Not only the tracks, geezer, it's gotta be the shoes! You can't just go around accusing everyone who runs past a certain point of doping when the shoes and tracks are so massively improved over past eras. Someone can definitely knock a tenth of a second off their natural top form from these two factors, plus hard work and dedication. Your formula needs to be re-visited before you go around slandering people.
It is reasonably justified suspicion to varying degrees.
In any case, I just said that the new tracks might have already caused me to shift, but that I will need to see more. That is why I haven’t been all over Jacobs, ADG, Su, or Bromell.
HOWEVER, Bromell’s OG no-show after apparently having put up historic times, as well as the actual clockings, both raise my level of suspicion quite high. Also, Jacobs’ actual OG time and his progression are strongly suspicious. ADG’s PB Tokyo clockings leave me equivocal at the moment, as they were on this sprung track, and are not at the level of insanity beyond which everyone has either tested positive or been called Bolt.
Future races on these tracks will give some data. Honestly, I don’t think the spikes do squat for the 100m—but maybe they do. Right now, that is a totally unproven suggestion—remember, sprinting is not biomechanically the same as running.
mediocre sprinter wrote:
Incredible performance to say the very least. Makes me wonder how fast lemaitre could have gone if he didn’t burn out/get injured.
Meanwhile let’s put 9.83 in perspective…
Off the top of my head almost every person who has ran faster than this time has failed a doping test. Steve mullings, Tyson gay, asafa, Yohan Blake, Gatlin… list goes on. What does it say about the current state of athletics and the true limits of human performance without peds?
If Su had been able to replicate his run in the finals he may very well have medaled or even won gold if Lamont the Italian didn’t run so well.
SU caught a flyer in the semi and almost died running that 9.83.
He reverted back to Asian norm in the final.Lemaitre's 9.92 with
max 2.0 wind is the white world record and that I think is as fast
as they can go.
sore wrote:
so whoever runs under 10 and not blacks certainly dope, there are now five Asian runners doing sub-10 (speaking of which, who are all present in this Olympics running 4 100 relay tomorrow ) and they dope lmao? Does Leimatre also dope running 9.92 and 19.80? Does Italian Tortu dope running 9.99? We're going to have Matt Boling running sub 10 legal soon, so he is sure to dope by your logic
I didn't say that. I said being Chinese and under 10 secs implicates him because the Chinese have thrown moral values out the window at the elite level of sport, which is certainly a microcosm of their oppressive government employing egregious tactics in order to meet their lofty (first and foremost economic but applies in other capacities) standards.
STEVE THE ADDICT ^^^^^^^------- wrote:
sore wrote:
so whoever runs under 10 and not blacks certainly dope, there are now five Asian runners doing sub-10 (speaking of which, who are all present in this Olympics running 4 100 relay tomorrow ) and they dope lmao? Does Leimatre also dope running 9.92 and 19.80? Does Italian Tortu dope running 9.99? We're going to have Matt Boling running sub 10 legal soon, so he is sure to dope by your logic
I didn't say that. I said being Chinese and under 10 secs implicates him because the Chinese have thrown moral values out the window at the elite level of sport, which is certainly a microcosm of their oppressive government employing egregious tactics in order to meet their lofty (first and foremost economic but applies in other capacities) standards.
This is all, unfortunately, true. I have been easy on Su so far, but that could change. He’s in that nether region , below 9.9-low/9.8-high, that for me is not 100%, but above at least 50%. His basic time is more egregious, maybe up there with Bruny Surin.
We will see what he runs on more classic tracks in the DL.
so when Su raised his personal best by 0.08 from 9.91 to 9.83, everything gets suspicious---track, shoes, doping.... Whereas when Bolt ran 9.58 raising his personal best by 0.11, we called him GOAT. Come on. Those are just coping responses burying one's head in the sand. Show the guy some respects he deserved. if you had watched his training video, you would see how humble, disciplined and determined this guy is? Few sprint athletes maintained this level of performance at his age, only Gatlin comes to mind. Su's coach has been saying he can go 9.85 since 2018
but i do agree you have a point about the track
sore wrote:
...when Bolt ran 9.58 raising his personal best by 0.11, we called him GOAT.
There is no “we” about it.
You new here?
Sprintgeezer wrote:
It is reasonably justified suspicion to varying degrees.
In any case, I just said that the new tracks might have already caused me to shift, but that I will need to see more. That is why I haven’t been all over Jacobs, ADG, Su, or Bromell.
HOWEVER, Bromell’s OG no-show after apparently having put up historic times, as well as the actual clockings, both raise my level of suspicion quite high. Also, Jacobs’ actual OG time and his progression are strongly suspicious. ADG’s PB Tokyo clockings leave me equivocal at the moment, as they were on this sprung track, and are not at the level of insanity beyond which everyone has either tested positive or been called Bolt.
Future races on these tracks will give some data. Honestly, I don’t think the spikes do squat for the 100m—but maybe they do. Right now, that is a totally unproven suggestion—remember, sprinting is not biomechanically the same as running.
All fair points except, perhaps, about the shoes not providing any help.