GRANT MFFFFF FISHERRRRRRRR

Best finish for a Canadian born athlete ever I believe.

No Canadian born runner has ever won an Olympic medal at 10000m. I don’t believe that any has ever come in top 5 either.

What position did the first US born athlete finish in today?

LondonLocal wrote:

+1

Fantastic run. Roughly 14:01/13:47 and stuck with the group the entire way when others dropped off. Very impressed, well deserved 5th.

14:13/ 13:33

Tinman elite wrote:

early morning chub wrote:

Remember when they debated whether Grant or Drew Hunter had the better training situation?

What a run by Grant.

What kind of medal does one get for 5th? Tin?

He gets respect and kudos from running fans, something you'll never have.

khcglhc wrote:

Best finish for a Canadian born athlete ever I believe.

No Canadian born runner has ever won an Olympic medal at 10000m. I don’t believe that any has ever come in top 5 either.

What position did the first US born athlete finish in today?

Lol stop trying to act like Canada is relevant on a world stage. Theres a reason he left that sh*thole and raced for team USA

He ran great but it's laughable to say he was in it with 250. He was most certainly not in it for a medal and benefited greatly from a slow race.

Grant is Canadian born. The US is using him as a ringer to try and inflate their medal count, much like they have used Black track athletes. US track would be nowhere without imported ringers (many without consent).

AP5000 wrote:

He ran great but it's laughable to say he was in it with 250. He was most certainly not in it for a medal and benefited greatly from a slow race.

Slow race? This is a bad take, the race was 'slow' because of the weather conditions. Cheptegei and Kiplimo wanted to make it 26:30 (hence their unofficial pacer and countryman, Kissa) but quickly realized it was impossible with the heat and humidity. Grant exceeded all expectations, looking forward to the 5000m. I would not have picked him for top American in the 5000 m but he's looking good, if the pace works out he could be a medal threat.

OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:

khcglhc wrote:

Best finish for a Canadian born athlete ever I believe.

No Canadian born runner has ever won an Olympic medal at 10000m. I don’t believe that any has ever come in top 5 either.

What position did the first US born athlete finish in today?

Lol stop trying to act like Canada is relevant on a world stage. Theres a reason he left that sh*thole and raced for team USA

Not exactly sure this is answering my question.

Where did the first US born runner finish?

Fantastic race. AR shape?

Yes, it was a slow race. It was slow no matter how you look at it. No different that the marathon in Rio. The reason for why it's slow doesn't make it not slow, and this is why slower guys can stick around longer than in a fast race. Had this been a 26:30-40 race we wouldn't even be talking about Fisher. Despite that he still ran great and did better than expected.

early morning chub wrote:

What a run by Grant.

I thought he ran a helluva championship race against a stacked field. They were better, but he has time to improve and Paris is only three years away

AP5000 wrote:

Yes, it was a slow race. It was slow no matter how you look at it. No different that the marathon in Rio. The reason for why it's slow doesn't make it not slow, and this is why slower guys can stick around longer than in a fast race. Had this been a 26:30-40 race we wouldn't even be talking about Fisher. Despite that he still ran great and did better than expected.

Did you see Sammy Wanjiru run in the heat? Everyone ran in the same conditions at the same time that’s the deal. Only the worst haters would try to claim that he didn’t acquit himself very well.

Let me ask you a question? Do you like your XC courses on golf courses or in the hills? If a guy performs very well on a hilly course, does it count?

Great race by Grant. He hung in there and made the race fun to watch.

Yeah, "good" does underplay the result. It was a great performance, maybe 5 places higher than I thought was possible for any American. All I'm saying is talking of sub-27 and the American record is misplaced. Heat adjustment calculators are garbage, every runner reacts differently to different conditions. Look how Ruth Chepnegetich, maybe the best marathoner in the world, fell to pieces in the rain in London last year. Everyone seems to be forgetting how Fisher was done by Kincaid in the biggest race of his life to that point just a month ago. Beating sub-27 runners in extreme conditions doesn't make a person a sub-27 runner

Plain O' Matter wrote:

Grant is Canadian born. The US is using him as a ringer to try and inflate their medal count, much like they have used Black track athletes. US track would be nowhere without imported ringers (many without consent).

Yes, very true. When he was born the US Olympic committee paid his parents to move to Michigan knowing full well that he would be a great runner. He was forced to go through the public school system in Michigan and then forced to go to some college in California. Now some shoe company in Oregon pays him US dollars to run for them. What a shame.

AP5000 wrote:

Yes, it was a slow race. It was slow no matter how you look at it. No different that the marathon in Rio. The reason for why it's slow doesn't make it not slow, and this is why slower guys can stick around longer than in a fast race. Had this been a 26:30-40 race we wouldn't even be talking about Fisher. Despite that he still ran great and did better than expected.

You're right in the sense that he is far more than 2.5 seconds slower than the top 3 in a time trial race I think we can agree on that. But I would say the fact that he hung in as long as he did and still was able to kick is indicative that his fitness is not miles away from these guys either. In your 26:30-40 race I'm not sure I agree with you because I think it might've been a Schweizer 2019 situation where she ran a big PB in the finals. So if Grant ran 26:5x for 8th or something I suspect we would be talking about him. I don't think any guy in 27+ max fitness would've been able to run the race he did today.

High hopes wrote:

Beating sub-27 runners in extreme conditions doesn't make a person a sub-27 runner

Not literally, no. But I bet you Jerry and him are thinking about sub-27, as well as sub-13 for next season. He's clearly made a leap from losing to Marc Scott to taking down Mo Ahmed.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

High hopes wrote:

Beating sub-27 runners in extreme conditions doesn't make a person a sub-27 runner

Not literally, no. But I bet you Jerry and him are thinking about sub-27, as well as sub-13 for next season. He's clearly made a leap from losing to Marc Scott to taking down Mo Ahmed.

Yeah, they should be, it's the logical next goal, other than Worlds. I think it looks a year away, though, he's not in that shape now

He was almost certainly in better shape than his PB would indicate, given the conditions. We would be talking with 8th and 26:5X, but in those conditions, that was never going to happen. He wasn't going to be a minute faster than he ran this in. So I think more like 8th and low 27 and there wouldn't be much of a discussion. But I get you.