Yes, because the only 2 possible options are to either coddle them (by wishing them well, apparently) or harshly criticize them.
Yes, because the only 2 possible options are to either coddle them (by wishing them well, apparently) or harshly criticize them.
runr176 wrote:
Mental health issues are real and part of the reason people feel stigma around them are because of comments like what is in the thread (you are too soft, just get over it, etc).
Yes some athletes can push through them, but some can’t.
I boiled down your long post to the truth. Some can take it, some cannot. In 2021, it appears biles no longer can.
Yawn^9 wrote:
runr176 wrote:
Mental health issues are real and part of the reason people feel stigma around them are because of comments like what is in the thread (you are too soft, just get over it, etc).
Yes some athletes can push through them, but some can’t.
I boiled down your long post to the truth. Some can take it, some cannot. In 2021, it appears biles no longer can.
And that’s ok. Rather than people belittling her and calling her soft, instead giving her credit for realizing she was at her breaking point and not pushing through because of others expectations.
Yes I know it was long haha but was frustrated bc letsruns is obviously a bunch of guys who have never done gymnastics or competed at a high level and many who probably don’t know what struggling with a serious mental health issue entails.
Simone Biles is easily the GOAT! She has a 8 page thread on a running message board within 12 hours of not competing. Dominating the minds of people who don't even follow her sport. She dominates her opponents when she competes, and she dominates insecure men when she does not compete. Complete mastery!
runr176 wrote:
Yawn^9 wrote:
I boiled down your long post to the truth. Some can take it, some cannot. In 2021, it appears biles no longer can.
And that’s ok. Rather than people belittling her and calling her soft, instead giving her credit for realizing she was at her breaking point and not pushing through because of others expectations.
Yes I know it was long haha but was frustrated bc letsruns is obviously a bunch of guys who have never done gymnastics or competed at a high level and many who probably don’t know what struggling with a serious mental health issue entails.
You make a lot of assumptions about people not competing at a high level. That’s a bad argument. Most of the world are not Olympic level athletes, but there are those who have much more stressful jobs then being a gymnast. The firefighter doesn’t just put down his hose and say, “I’m too stressed.” At the end of the day, she couldn’t take the pressure from an athletics completion. In terms of being an athlete that makes her mentally weak, or at least weaker then before.
No one in their right minds wants her to fail. I certainly am not criticizing her as a person. But she quit in the middle of a competition and deserves to be called out.
The problem is she is NOT going home devastated. In fact, she is not going home at all. She ditched the team competition but is reportedly still doing the individual all-around and all four individual event finals. It seems like she only did the team qualifying so that she could qualify herself for the individual medals.
She may be the best gymnast ever but she doesn't seem like a team player to me. With the game on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your most trusted player. In that situation, I would take Carrie Strug over Simone Biles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Biles is a better gymnasts, but Strug is simply a LEGEND in USA gymnastics.
suspicion in the ignition wrote:
doingthistopost wrote:
They already said it is not injury related. Mental problem.
She had her legged wrapped after a landing on the vault and consulted the trainers, as reported by ESPN. Yeah, that sounds like a mental problem. Unless you have a source for that claim, it sounds like you're just a typical LRC woman basher.
She literally said it herself in an interview. Physically, she's fine but she was literally shaking because she was so nervous, and kept getting"lost in the air", so to speak.
And believe it or not, mental health IS a medical issue. Just as real as any other injury.
That being said, I do agree this sets a weak precedent. Stress sucks, but you have to learn how to deal with it. I'd never step on the line if I gave in to the overwhelming anxiety I get before races.
memo 618 wrote:
If it was a physical medical issue they would just tell you what it was.
Like Donovan Brazier?
Yawn^9 wrote:
runr176 wrote:
And that’s ok. Rather than people belittling her and calling her soft, instead giving her credit for realizing she was at her breaking point and not pushing through because of others expectations.
Yes I know it was long haha but was frustrated bc letsruns is obviously a bunch of guys who have never done gymnastics or competed at a high level and many who probably don’t know what struggling with a serious mental health issue entails.
You make a lot of assumptions about people not competing at a high level. That’s a bad argument. Most of the world are not Olympic level athletes, but there are those who have much more stressful jobs then being a gymnast. The firefighter doesn’t just put down his hose and say, “I’m too stressed.” At the end of the day, she couldn’t take the pressure from an athletics completion. In terms of being an athlete that makes her mentally weak, or at least weaker then before.
No one in their right minds wants her to fail. I certainly am not criticizing her as a person. But she quit in the middle of a competition and deserves to be called out.
I’m not saying other jobs are not stressful or you have to be at a high level to deal with stress. Of course there are a ton of other high stress jobs. One difference is here constantly being in the spotlight and expectations from millions around the world. Regardless if her job isn’t as stressful as people think, that added pressure from millions watching you and expecting things from you does add up. And sexual abuse is another added weight to deal with.
If it makes her mentally weaker as an athlete than before, then that’s ok! She needs to find ways now to deal with that if she’s not. I will say, if she goes into individual competition and is back to her old self, that would be a little strange.
runr176 wrote:
Yes I know it was long haha but was frustrated bc letsruns is obviously a bunch of guys who have never done gymnastics or competed at a high level and many who probably don’t know what struggling with a serious mental health issue entails.
This may be the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard on this site.
Part of the very reason some of us are blown away by this is because we've had insane anxiety and mental health issues, and learned to cope with it (especially in high-performance, high-pressure situations).
Whether or not we've done gymnastics is irrelevant. It's competition in sport. The mental side of it is all the same, no matter what your body is doing.
She's no Strug wrote:
The problem is she is NOT going home devastated. In fact, she is not going home at all. She ditched the team competition but is reportedly still doing the individual all-around and all four individual event finals. It seems like she only did the team qualifying so that she could qualify herself for the individual medals.
She may be the best gymnast ever but she doesn't seem like a team player to me. With the game on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your most trusted player. In that situation, I would take Carrie Strug over Simone Biles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Biles is a better gymnasts, but Strug is simply a LEGEND in USA gymnastics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwa5Bf656As
I think the situations are different. Strug was that team's last vaulter, and either she tried the 2nd vault for a chance to win gold, or she didn't and they got silver. She tried and did the vault on the bad ankle. Gold medal. Heroic.
Biles clearly was going to have a very bad day. She thought she would drag the team down. While no hero in my mind, she quit to give her team mates the best chance at silver or even gold (although without a pretty good Biles gold would be unlikely). To their credit, they got the silver. If Biles had kept on, she might have fallen off of all apparatus, and while she would not have been a quitter, the team finish would have been worse. And yes, she would have been labelled as a choker. Again, I don't say she was brave, or heroic, in quitting, but I think it was the right decision for the team and their medal chances. Would it have been better if she was able to perform normally - of course.
runr176 wrote:
Yes some athletes can push through them, but some can’t.
*Some athletes have learned how to push through them, but some haven't*
There, fixed it for you.
Mental illness is treatable. It's not always a disability. She's had a professional therapist for years. She's literally been in this position before, five years ago. It's embarrassing her therapist didn't teach her better coping mechanisms for these situations.
Trackmeister wrote:
Biles bailed. Bailed on all the sponsors that she got millions from and more importantly bailed on her team. At this point in her career she should have sucked it up and finished her competition. She just couldn’t stand the thought that she would potentially be off the podium. Using mental excuses seems to be in vogue now. It takes both physical and mental strength to be a champion. She’s not a GOAT. She’s a Prima Donna quitter
I don’t get this.
You think her continuing and potentially costing her teammates a medal was the better option?
thoughts and prayers wrote:
Trackmeister wrote:
Biles bailed. Bailed on all the sponsors that she got millions from and more importantly bailed on her team. At this point in her career she should have sucked it up and finished her competition. She just couldn’t stand the thought that she would potentially be off the podium. Using mental excuses seems to be in vogue now. It takes both physical and mental strength to be a champion. She’s not a GOAT. She’s a Prima Donna quitter
I don’t get this.
You think her continuing and potentially costing her teammates a medal was the better option?
How about if you have the best 4x4 relay team in the country. At Nationals, your best guy, your anchor comes down sick. He can run, but thinks he might run 5 seconds slow, which would take the team off the podium. The coach does not know. Should he run, or should he say the team should sub in another guy, who is maybe 3 seconds slower? Unlikely to win with this 5th guy, but likely to finish 2nd or 3rd.
That's not what she said today to Hoda on the morning show. She said she's taking it one day at a time to decide. She may not compete at all.
I wonder how quickly advertisers and NBC will be able to cut her out of the broadcast and commercials.
Why do the website owners indulge this? What purpose does it serve?
Did the Brojos send Gault in to find out if someone trash talked Simone in the call room?
Look….facts are facts
You all can spin it any way you like. Stop the nonsense with these long winded, breathless explanations.
She quit.
Athletes given the title of “goat” don’t quit.
irunfastXC wrote:
suspicion in the ignition wrote:
She had her legged wrapped after a landing on the vault and consulted the trainers, as reported by ESPN. Yeah, that sounds like a mental problem. Unless you have a source for that claim, it sounds like you're just a typical LRC woman basher.
She literally said it herself in an interview. Physically, she's fine but she was literally shaking because she was so nervous, and kept getting"lost in the air", so to speak.
And believe it or not, mental health IS a medical issue. Just as real as any other injury.
That being said, I do agree this sets a weak precedent. Stress sucks, but you have to learn how to deal with it. I'd never step on the line if I gave in to the overwhelming anxiety I get before races.
You don’t step on the line with the risk of breaking you neck.
You are all losers if you’re criticizing her for this on the stupid message board. You have accomplished almost nothing in life. You are pathetic, hateful scum.