Could we hit 200,000 cases per day?

the true read wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XX wrote:

Data?

That's funny. People who spread disinformation don't want data or facts. You will just tell yourself its not true so why ask for it.

About webmd as a source?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210712/what-to-know-about-covid-delta-variant

That story is not data. They did throw an opinion in there somewhere saying "does seem to be more lethal...." so you have that going for your argument. Still not data, and no web MD is not a good source of data on something so new and unknown.

BuckleUp wrote:

The Delta variant is at least 10x less virulent than the original type:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seFztiEpkCI

This is typical of viruses as they spread: more contagious, less virulent. This trend will continue. The common cold is the least virulent outcome of this phenomenon. Other coronaviruses typically are endemic "colds", not very lethal at all.

For those unable or unwilling to click on a video to obtain information:

CFR for alpha variant in UK: 1.9%

CFR for delta variant: 0.2% (112 deaths for 82K cases)

He explains well how viral endemicity works. This diminishment of vitality over time has been known for over 100 years. Viruses co-evolve with their hosts in order to not go extinct.

Lead Foil Hat XX wrote:

The US has the highest vaccination rate among large nations and has generally been ahead of the game although reluctant to provide multiple vaccine technology options. If they open up the markets, fast track more ready to go vaccines, rates go go much much higher, but this is not about vaccinating people it is about politics and demonizing voters on one side of the aisle so Biden will not allow new options onto the table for some time. He would rather see death and gain power than actually save lives.

I wonder why you and so many others are not making it “about vaccinating people” and instead making it “about politics and demonizing voters on one side of the aisle”.

If you want to save lives, stop making it about politicians like Biden. We should stop listening to the politicians completely, and start listening to the scientists. Stop listening to pundits like Tucker Carlson (whom the courts decided no reasonably intelligent person would believe). We should understand that policies and guidelines are not fixed, and will change as we learn more, and adapt to the increasing spread, especially in hotspots, so we must keep listening to the scientists and look for these changes when and where they occur.

The virus would be under control if people on all sides of the aisles had properly social distanced, worn masks as guided, and got vaccinated, when and as recommended by the scientists.

The only things you can accuse Biden of is stepping back and letting the scientists do their job, and organizing a national rollout of the vaccine.

The problem today is no longer one of low supply, but one of low demand, due to vaccine hesitancy because many people are not listening to the relevant scientists, preferring instead to listen to and propagate misinformation in social media, on “opinion” entertainment shows, and from politicians.

BuckleUp wrote:

For those unable or unwilling to click on a video to obtain information:

CFR for alpha variant in UK: 1.9%

CFR for delta variant: 0.2% (112 deaths for 82K cases)

He explains well how viral endemicity works. This diminishment of vitality over time has been known for over 100 years. Viruses co-evolve with their hosts in order to not go extinct.

If you want to be not lazy, click on the CDC website or the WHO website for guidance.

You should be careful with Youtube science. Otherwise, “flat-earth” would be considered credible science.

What do his peers say?

Other factors to consider:

- It is just too early to tell what the CFR rate is for the delta variant

- Most of the “high risk of death” people have been vaccinated, leading to fewer cases, and less severe symptoms for the few cases that arise

- Many of the “low risk of death” have also been vaccinated, at least partially with one jab

- Treatments have improved

- Comparing alpha to delta is not apples to apples

Timothy Foyle wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

When did I make that claim?

R U honestly so gullible that you don't know the narrative is written in advance?

You forgot to use the word, "sheeple". With such an egregious omission it is difficult to take your post seriously.

Of course, you did manage to slip in a "narrative" so you have that going for you. Still, without "sheeple" you are obviously a mere novice at this.

The irony of the high number of people who use the same word sheeple is lost on them.

truth of it wrote:

Timothy Foyle wrote:

You forgot to use the word, "sheeple". With such an egregious omission it is difficult to take your post seriously.

Of course, you did manage to slip in a "narrative" so you have that going for you. Still, without "sheeple" you are obviously a mere novice at this.

The irony of the high number of people who use the same word sheeple is lost on them.

Classic. I don't use the word sheeple and am attacked for using the term sheeple.

And how unfair of me to point out that the media is pushing a narrative. Can't use that word.

And yes, the narrative has been written and of course it includes us hitting 200k cases per day.

The vaxxer attack me for claiming that I said the USA is the most vaxed country in the world.

Not sure how that figures into the argument, but I never said it so I asked for proof I said it.

The response? I meant to use the word sheeple and forgot and using the term sheeple means I don't know what I am saying.

These vaxxers have no honor and no regard for the truth.

They are not, however, our true enemy. They are merely the dupes, the victims, the elites pushing the Big Lie.

victims of the elites I meant to say.

Maybe they can be reached at some point.

Perhaps when 80% of us have been vaxxed and we are still being locked down and masked and censored they will see the light

What don't yo understand about people not yet trusting the mRNA vaccines? Make available other time tested technological options and more people will get vaccinated. It is not about supply, it is about choice and the near forcing of an untested novel type of delivery technology on the entire population. Novovax is ready and better, yet Biden will not fast-track it, there are whole inactivated virus options out there they have not approved for use in the US. They just keep demanding everyone must get the mRNA vax and that is it. Then stupid people who do not even undertsand what they are taking get "smart" mad and scream "just get the fffing shot!" rather than say "how do we get people that do not trust the new tech vaccinated?". You do it by making sure more time tested options are on the table; this has yet to be done and Biden is either a moron for not seeing it or there is a reason he only wants people to get the mRNA vax.

Yes, I've been saying this for weeks now, because the COVID daily rate has been rising at 170-200% per 14 days for a while now and it will continue to rise rapidly because a lot more is getting out there (with daily cases over 50,000 now), the Delta variant is all around and produces supposedly 1,000 times as much viral load and is twice as contagious, and a lot more people are going to be exposed to it with, from my observation, life going back to normal more or less in the South, no masks indoors and lots of socializing. Just by the current rate of increase, you'd have 130,000 cases per day in two weeks, by the time school is starting around the country, and then even with a decrease in the rate of change, probably 200,000 cases per day before September. Vaccination is your only way out but go back to masks indoors for the time being until we get herd immunity. You can't do that with just 1/2 million vaccinations per day.

Approve emergency use of a broader array of available vaccine technologies and you will solve the vaccination problem. They don't care about fixing the vaccine problem, they hope to demonize a group of voters heading into 2022. The democrats want death and destruction and will not use common sense measures to stop it.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

stan the corgi wrote:

Sounds like herd immunity will be achieved faster.

Herd immunity doesn’t matter to COVID scare crowd. We could have a 100% vaccinated world and they’ll still say we need to wear masks, socially distance, and lockdown. Every week the CDC contradicts themselves. One week they post the vaccine prevents Covid. The next week they say it doesn’t. One week they say the vaccinated don’t need masks. The next week they say they do. This whole thing has been a joke.

There is another name for "herd immunity" through infections. It is called maximum deaths.

BuckleUp wrote:

BuckleUp wrote:

The Delta variant is at least 10x less virulent than the original type:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seFztiEpkCI

This is typical of viruses as they spread: more contagious, less virulent. This trend will continue. The common cold is the least virulent outcome of this phenomenon. Other coronaviruses typically are endemic "colds", not very lethal at all.

For those unable or unwilling to click on a video to obtain information:

CFR for alpha variant in UK: 1.9%

CFR for delta variant: 0.2% (112 deaths for 82K cases)

He explains well how viral endemicity works. This diminishment of vitality over time has been known for over 100 years. Viruses co-evolve with their hosts in order to not go extinct.

Wrong on all counts.

1) Fatality rate at this time is from the effects of the vaccine, NOT from reduced virulence of virus.

2) A random mutation of the virus is just as likely to produce a MORE virulent strain as a less virulent strain. The only evolutionary pressure that COULD push toward less virulent strains becoming more dominant over time is if the more virulent strains kill at VERY high rates AND quickly - before infecting those in proximity of the already infected. No strain of COVID is even remotely close to either of these.

3) All indications are that the Delta variant is about equally virulent as the original.

The Unkle wrote:

And yes, the narrative has been written and of course it includes us hitting 200k cases per day.

Then you will admit to being wrong when we do not hit 200k cases per day, I am sure.

Because aint gonna happen.

Then perhaps you might shut up with all your idiotic "narrative" BS.

Nah, that aint gonna happen either. You will not admit to being wrong (because that's just not part of your shtick) and you will never STFU (because that's not what trolls - or morons - do).

Right there is your problem - we are extremely unlikely to keep at "the current rate of increase". 200k/day is unlikely.

1101 wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Herd immunity doesn’t matter to COVID scare crowd. We could have a 100% vaccinated world and they’ll still say we need to wear masks, socially distance, and lockdown. Every week the CDC contradicts themselves. One week they post the vaccine prevents Covid. The next week they say it doesn’t. One week they say the vaccinated don’t need masks. The next week they say they do. This whole thing has been a joke.

There is another name for "herd immunity" through infections. It is called maximum deaths.

Thank you for never failing to provide our daily dose of fearmongering.

Yeah, because it's been the democrats all along who have been calling the whole thing a hoax and discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

SMH

Given half our population won't get vaccinated, 200k cases a day is likely before the end of the year. Overwhelmed hospitals in low vax areas. Of course many will have some immunity from their first bout of covid-19 so we may not see as many hospitals overrun this year.