If we were actually following the data and science and weren't selfish, we wouldn't allow Cole Hocker to get vaccinated now

If he completely isolated himself to the best of his ability, he should have no problem passing the tests.

The opposite side of the coin is he gets the vaccine, tests negative, and loses because of even the normal side effects caused by the vaccine. For once you ask a good question: why risk i?

It was mentioned in this thread that people think the vaccine provides better immunity than the infection.

I'm just curious what people think of this:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

"Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously."

I'm just curious if perhaps the idea that the vaccine provides better immunity could be "bullshiit".

Also, I'd like to note that Rojo wrote his article to criticize people for being so overly focusing their time an effort on attacking Hocker, rather than focusing their reasoning skills on other bigger issues. He was not making an anti-vaccine argument, only an argument against people wasting their time attacking an individual on a trivial issue, rather than focusing their time where it might be better spent. Those same people are twisting Rojo's perspective as being anti-vax. He is not anti-vax, only anti-assshole.

rojo wrote:

good call wrote:

Does that 'we' include those responsible for the LetsRun message board? Are we finally going to see a tougher stance against all the racism we have to wade through there?

That would be great!

I keep hearing about all of the racism and sexism but no one can ever find a post that is actually racist or sexist that doens't get deleted.

'Schools of color' thread still up, I see?

Yawn^9 wrote:

If he completely isolated himself to the best of his ability, he should have no problem passing the tests.

The opposite side of the coin is he gets the vaccine, tests negative, and loses because of even the normal side effects caused by the vaccine. For once you ask a good question: why risk i?

Sure if you ignore all existing data on the relative risks of these two scenarios!

Also Hocker could’ve gotten a dose weeks ago to prevent these exact thing.

Life’s good when you can choose dogma over critical thinking. Isn’t it?

Another thing to consider is that 100 out of 613 US Olympic athletes are unvaccinated, so why gang up on Hocker?

intenserunner wrote:

Another thing to consider is that 100 out of 613 US Olympic athletes are unvaccinated, so why gang up on Hocker?

Uh bc Hocker is a runner and this is a running website, DUHHHH

intenserunner wrote:

Another thing to consider is that 100 out of 613 US Olympic athletes are unvaccinated, so why gang up on Hocker?

Because that’s what commies do. Do what they want or they shame, fire, or imprison you. This is just the beginning of I984.

Fortunately the imprison part is harder because our founders new this type of totalitarianism all too well in Europe. But watch the commies will try and these experimental vaccines are a great weapon for them.

good call wrote:

rojo wrote:

I keep hearing about all of the racism and sexism but no one can ever find a post that is actually racist or sexist that doens't get deleted.

'Schools of color' thread still up, I see?

Still up.

Just helping out because you said you can never find any racist or sexist posts that don't get deleted. Not that there aren't plenty of others, of course.

rrrtty wrote:

Hopefully Nike requires him to be vaccinated, including for Covid19

While I'm very pro-vaccine for the vast majority of people. I still don't agree with this. If I was Hocker, I still wouldn't have taken the vaccine.

Please remember, he already has natural immunity as he had Covid-19. That inforgraphic isn't coming from some far right site. It's coming from the BBC. Now maybe the BBC article ends up not being true but we don't know all of the facts. He's an elie distance runner.

His choice but he has gotten it since the Olympics.

Your comments seem very disingenuous to me, rojo. To me, they always seem veiled in cherry picked facts, laser focused on minutia and ignoring larger context. But that's just my opinion.

rojo wrote:

rrrtty wrote:

Hopefully Nike requires him to be vaccinated, including for Covid19

While I'm very pro-vaccine for the vast majority of people. I still don't agree with this. If I was Hocker, I still wouldn't have taken the vaccine.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14265/production/_120533528_vaccine_benefits_and_risks_640-2x-nc.png

Where's the source that shows he had COVID? But yes, post-Tokyo his need for extreme sterilizing immunity is less important (Tokyo had draconian procedures and any positive test was the end of his Olympics). He was still incredibly dumb not to take the vaccine before Tokyo. One positive test would have cost him plenty of $$.

Still, you realize that graphic posted shows that the vaccine is a net benefit for children? We just need to get the dosing right (which Pfizer and Moderna are doing for pediatric vaccines).

Also Cole is what, 20 years old? He's not 12.

Hocker had COVID. The incidence of reinfection is about 1/8th the incidence of breakthrough infection. He is far less of a threat to others as an individual who was previously infected than a vaccinated, never infected individual would be. The fact that fear mongers want to pressure the previously infected to get vaccinated reeks far more of group think than science. The nearest analogy I can come up with would be asking someone with a prior COVID infection to get vaccinated would be like asking someone who has had a vasectomy to wear a condom as an extra form of birth control. Yes, the condom will provide additional protection, but the vasectomy (at 99% effective) is a far more effective form of birth control than a condom (at 80% effective). The 80% effective crowd has no business pressuring the 99% effective crowd, even though they might get to 99.8% effective. The marginal benefits do not outweigh the additional risks (Adverse events from the vaccines are more prevalent in the previously infected).

That’s a lovely story but Cole has gotten the vaccine since the Olympics and has now joined up with Kaep’s Nike.

BLM ✊🏾

zzzz so much discussion about a mid-thier runner and a minuscle detail on whether he has taken the vaccine or not.

rojo wrote:

He's an elie distance runner.

... so let's post some data for children that doesn't apply at all!

rojo wrote:

rrrtty wrote:

Hopefully Nike requires him to be vaccinated, including for Covid19

While I'm very pro-vaccine for the vast majority of people. I still don't agree with this. If I was Hocker, I still wouldn't have taken the vaccine.

That’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about

joed|rt wrote:

Hocker had COVID..

He never got tested so this is a false statement. He needs the vaccine