Official 2021 Gateshead DL Discussion Thread

Put Katir in a WR paced 3000m he definitely goes 7:22/ 7:23

Flo'da boy wrote:

I LOVE the way McSweyn runs, he always sticks to the pacer and if he's fit and in the race you know it won't turn tactical

its also the style that suits him best because he has no kick. unfortunately hes not fast enough to run away from the best 1500/5000 guys so its hard to imagine a scenario where he could medal.

Great showdown but with the expected result ever since his amazing 5k here earlier on.

Tom Mortimer, GB, huge Pb! Mind boggling

1

12

ESP

KATIR Mohamed

7:27.64

NRMRPB

1

21

7:44.13

2

5

AUS

McSWEYN Stewart

7:28.94

8

7

7:28.02

3

14

GBR

BUTCHART Andrew

7:35.18

PB

4

9

7:43.57

7:37.56

4

16

KEN

KROP Jacob

7:35.34

2

14

7:30.07

7:30.07

5

1

AUS

RAMSDEN Matthew

7:35.65

PB

14

4

7:45.68

6

15

GBR

DEVER Patrick

7:37.39

PB

18

3

8:09.09

7

7

KEN

KIBET Michael

7:37.80

PB

6

8

7:43.46

7:38.43

8

13

ITA

CRIPPA Yemaneberhan

7:37.90

NRPB

21

1

7:41.41

7:38.27

9

9

GBR

MORTIMER Thomas

7:38.73

PB

8:09.99

8:00.99

10

10

GBR

ATKIN Sam

7:39.71

PB

7:56.70

11

11

ESP

CARRO Fernando

7:41.20

PB

7:47.02

7:47.02

12

8

GBR

ROWE Jack

7:42.15

PB

7:49.71

7:49.71

13

4

ESP

JIMÉNEZ Sergio

7:47.95

PB

7:53.19

14

6

AUS

McNEILL David

7:49.32

22

1

7:39.43

7:39.43

15

3

CAN

FLANAGAN Benjamin

7:54.32

PB

8:12.07

16

2

GBR

DAVIES Jonathan

8:13.77

7:53.61

7:45.75

DNF

17

GBR

CLARKE Adam

7:55.13

DNF

18

KEN

KIBET Vincent

7:50.54

SPLIT TIMES

Distance

Nat

Name

Time

1000

GBR

CLARKE Adam

2:30.60

2000

AUS

McSWEYN Stewart

5:03.74

LAP TIMES

Lap

Time

1

59.70

2

1:00.82

3

1:01.80

4

1:01.26

5

59.32

6

58.83

pretty bad result for wightman and the posters that favor him for a medal. however, giles looks like a solid pick in the 800.

Approximately 3:54 last 1600m lead to lead so safe to say Katir ran his last full mile in 3:55. Kudos to McSweyn trying to break away with 3 laps to go

Is Katir for real or are we witnessing another pharmaceutical journey for track and field. Especially with the news of Fermin Cacho breaking.

1600m to 2800m 2:53.97. Crazy

McSweyn has to be thinking WTF

michiganrunner55 wrote:

Put Katir in a WR paced 3000m he definitely goes 7:22/ 7:23

I think the once unthinkable 3k World Record could very well go down. No doubt super-spikes are helping a bit (perhaps 2-3 seconds).

Right now you have Wale (7:24 indoors), Kejelcha (7:26 outdoors ~ 2:23 last K doing all the work), Barega (great 10K in ETH Trials, good 1500 results), Jakob (3:28 PB, 12:48 5K), Katir (7:27 with 2:23 last k and 55-second last lap), Kiplimo (7:26 3k last year), Cheptegei (5K WR), Justin Knight (12:51.9 5K, good 1500 results). There's probably a few more in this mix too (Ahmed, El Bakkali, Kimeli, McSweyn to pace at least ha).

Get this group out there in 4:55-4:56 and I'd love to see what would happen.

te5n1k wrote:

even tho katir is suspicious as hell...i cant deny i like the guys flair. def a contender for a medal imo. a shame we cant see him (and others) in the 1500 and 5000

Yeah he's got that air of invincibility that comes from cycling drugs and stomping fields.

May have missed it, but I didn't see a lot of well wishes from the rest of the field at the finish area.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

michiganrunner55 wrote:

Put Katir in a WR paced 3000m he definitely goes 7:22/ 7:23

I think the once unthinkable 3k World Record could very well go down. No doubt super-spikes are helping a bit (perhaps 2-3 seconds).

Right now you have Wale (7:24 indoors), Kejelcha (7:26 outdoors ~ 2:23 last K doing all the work), Barega (great 10K in ETH Trials, good 1500 results), Jakob (3:28 PB, 12:48 5K), Katir (7:27 with 2:23 last k and 55-second last lap), Kiplimo (7:26 3k last year), Cheptegei (5K WR), Justin Knight (12:51.9 5K, good 1500 results). There's probably a few more in this mix too (Ahmed, El Bakkali, Kimeli, McSweyn to pace at least ha).

Get this group out there in 4:55-4:56 and I'd love to see what would happen.

The problem with multiple people on the "cusp" (used loosely, 7:20 is safe for a long time IMO) of a world record is that none of the contenders want to set pace for a rival to break the record. Komen went through 2k in about 4:53 overtaking the rabbit. Whoever wants this record is going to be in no man's land for a kilometer, at best. We're not going to see this super field assembled absent some serious prize money that perhaps incentivizes the field to hang on as long as possible. But even then, how does an athlete capable of getting into that 7:23 and under territory quantify being the second fastest 3k runner of all time?

I hope it's not broken in my lifetime to be honest. I'd rather watched the doped marvel Komen solo that last kilometer than pretend Katir is clean and his effort is legitimate.

Phil Ken Sebben wrote:

te5n1k wrote:

even tho katir is suspicious as hell...i cant deny i like the guys flair. def a contender for a medal imo. a shame we cant see him (and others) in the 1500 and 5000

Yeah he's got that air of invincibility that comes from cycling drugs and stomping fields.

May have missed it, but I didn't see a lot of well wishes from the rest of the field at the finish area.

You are right that he has been almost completely ostracized by the running community and especially by his fellow elite runners who don’t even acknowledge him after races and this is very sad.

The question is if he is doping as many people think, then why aren’t others doping and those others are often in a much more favorable situation geographically to get away with it than he is because Katir trains in Spain most of the time and is very exposed to being discovered if there are any doubts on him.

Patrick MF Dever, NCAA 10K champ, continues to prove that he is heading TOWARD his best days.

Well the Cheptegei model was using wavelight and members/friends of his agency to pace. You are right that these things are typically a setup and not a super field. I don't know the Ethiopian athletes' representation that well but Global Sports does represent Kejelcha and Cheptegei. Barega, Wale and Girma all have the same agent. So if either of those groups sought fit maybe something could happen.

Ghost1 wrote:

Phil Ken Sebben wrote:

Yeah he's got that air of invincibility that comes from cycling drugs and stomping fields.

May have missed it, but I didn't see a lot of well wishes from the rest of the field at the finish area.

The question is if he is doping as many people think, then why aren’t others doping and those others are often in a much more favorable situation geographically to get away with it than he is because Katir trains in Spain most of the time and is very exposed to being discovered if there are any doubts on him.

Anti-doping is an imperfect science. Most athletes inclined to cheat likely microdose and have help timing cycles and doses to not flag testing. Katir, on the other hand, really seems like the drug Icarus of the current ABP and (more) federated/cooperative anti-doping world.

Anyone else notice that dude is 6’0 130lbs! Talk about thin and light! And whats up with him racing in road flats? Def a smooth stride for sure

Oh yeah I completely repressed the wavelight system...

I feel like we don't see many Ethiopian pacesetters on the circuit. Americans, Europeans, Kenyans... but Ethiopians?

Ghost1 wrote:

You are right that he has been almost completely ostracized by the running community and especially by his fellow elite runners who don’t even acknowledge him after races and this is very sad.

I'm not seeing that like you guys are. He went way down the track but once he headed back Butchart gave him daps, Mortimer came to congratulate him (but was chased off by the photographers), then Rowe and Dever made an effort as he headed to the tunnel even as he was kinda not seeking out others.