Galen Rupp and Sara Hall to run Chicago Marathon. Rupp will try Olympics/Chicago double 63 days apart. Can Hall get the AR?

Sara is fantastic and can get really close but Deena was really special.

At the same height Deena was over five pounds lighter. Go look at photos from 2002-2006

Sara is a natural vdot 70 and the shoes can make her 72 but that's not enough to break 2:19

Unless ASICS has got a next gen shoe for the fall.

Sara is getting really good at wrecking herself trying though, it's impressive, she leaves it ALL out there.

Pretty sure someone is taking that AR down in 2022 though, just takes the right prize/competition/day.

I agree with this.

What was the story about Ryan Hall and the U-Haul truck?

I'm a Sara Hall fan. It can't be overlooked though that she is 38 years old. I hope she runs whatever she wants to run, but it should come as no surprise if she doesn't run any super fast races again.

jecht wrote:

I agree with this.

What was the story about Ryan Hall and the U-Haul truck?

Rental cars were hard to get, so they rented a U-Haul truck. People in Hawaii have been doing that too as rental cars there became scarce for a while at least.

casual obsever wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

I would like Rupp to run 2:04. 57 or faster, So I can stop having to explain why 2:05.38 is the American Record and not Ryan Hall's 2:04.58

Yes, that would indeed be nice.

Strange that no one ever mistakes Kara Goucher as the HM record holder even though it's a similar situation to that of Hall/Khanoucci

yeah except for wrote:

Right, except for the fact he has an Olympic medal in the marathon

Depth places in the Olympic Marathon do not mean much because no more than 5 good runners show up.

runderrun wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Yes, that would indeed be nice.

Strange that no one ever mistakes Kara Goucher as the HM record holder even though it's a similar situation to that of Hall/Khanoucci

No, not strange at all, but maybe to just you. Her time was aided, very aided. The same things that Kara Goucher complains about, like shoes giving you an advantage, are just like her aided course that she brags about. If Huddle and Kastor ran the same course that she did, they would have run faster.

Thanks! It doesn't seem like a big deal. It seems like a smart idea actually.

HS Coach?? wrote:

runderrun wrote:

Strange that no one ever mistakes Kara Goucher as the HM record holder even though it's a similar situation to that of Hall/Khanoucci

No, not strange at all, but maybe to just you. Her time was aided, very aided. The same things that Kara Goucher complains about, like shoes giving you an advantage, are just like her aided course that she brags about. If Huddle and Kastor ran the same course that she did, they would have run faster.

Yeah, I get that, it's a point to point course. But Ryan Hall's marathon 2:04 was heavily wind-aided on a point to point course. I'm not saying Goucher's HM time should be recognised, I'm just saying it's odd that Hall's time is often mistaken as the national record but Goucher's isn't.

Big Red wrote:

Back in the 70s, Frank Shorter ran the Olympic Trials marathon and the Olympic Marathons pretty close together. In '76, I think Frank and Bill Rodgers went for a tie at the trials in 2:11.

Shorter and Kenny Moore tied at the 72 Trials Marathon

runderrun wrote:

Yeah, I get that, it's a point to point course. But Ryan Hall's marathon 2:04 was heavily wind-aided on a point to point course. I'm not saying Goucher's HM time should be recognised, I'm just saying it's odd that Hall's time is often mistaken as the national record but Goucher's isn't.

What do you think Hall's 2:04:58 is worth on Chicago?

Boston is not as slow as people say. Desi ran 1 minute slower the next time she raced Boston than in the 2011 windstorm. Mutai ran 2 minutes slower in the NY Marathon the same year.

I think he could have run 2:05:xx in Chicago with a similar effort.

hl0 wrote:

runderrun wrote:

Yeah, I get that, it's a point to point course. But Ryan Hall's marathon 2:04 was heavily wind-aided on a point to point course. I'm not saying Goucher's HM time should be recognised, I'm just saying it's odd that Hall's time is often mistaken as the national record but Goucher's isn't.

What do you think Hall's 2:04:58 is worth on Chicago?

Boston is not as slow as people say. Desi ran 1 minute slower the next time she raced Boston than in the 2011 windstorm. Mutai ran 2 minutes slower in the NY Marathon the same year.

I think he could have run 2:05:xx in Chicago with a similar effort.

Consider the two guys that beat him, G. Mutai and M. Mosop. They ran something like 2:03 flat and beat hall by around 1:50. Mosop, never got within a couple of minutes of that again (we could blame injuries I guess, he did that 30k on track afterwards and ran pretty well).

G. Mutai's next marathon was that amazing run in New York, 2:05, and I believe his next best based on time was Berlin where he was just over 2:04.

My point being, if Mutai, who ran arguably the best back to back marathons ever, couldn't ever get within 1 minute of his Boston time, with pacers, on the perfectly flat and perfect weather of Berlin, then Hall most definitely wasn't within one minute of his already slower time.

I would say Hall was more like 2:07 flat shape, MAYBE 2:06:30 shape at best. He never had ANY race even remotely close to this performance afterwards.

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