How did Shelby beat 50 previous drug tests since 2018 AR if nandrolone can be detected for 120 days?

Hi.

Do you know there are detectable levels of nandrolone between 0.00 and 1.99ng/ml and those won't be disclosed?

Thanks for your time.

Perhaps she was popped for taking something like testosterone that had some traces of the drug. This argument is made but falls apart when you realize this drug is responsible for many busts. It gets mixed into many things.

I thought that taking nandrolone orally means it’s out of your system in 24h ?

I’m not sure if she’s guilty or not but there are plenty of people skating through drug tests. Justin Gatlin is in the Trials at 39 years old.

enquiring minds wrote:

Hate Nike with a passion, want to see almost all of ex-NOP burn and half of BTC, but not going to let that cloud judgment on something that doesn't add up here.

Still waiting for someone to explain how she escaped all previous testing in and out of competition, especially since Heusden which was July 2018, we're not talking just a few tests but 50

Either it's the worst detection system in the world or there wasn't any actual testing just pretend?

Which previous sample failed? Go back and test previous samples if you want to claim she is a systematic doper.

Nandrolone has a half-life of 6 to 12 days but apparently there is a technique they use now that can detect 120 days out, so that would be impossible to hide.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0039128X16000350

Doesn't every doper pass dozens of tests, until the day they don't pass a test? When will there ever be a case where a doper fails, for example, 50 straight tests before they get busted?

This is just a stupid argument. Houlihan and her Nike lawyer don't even contend the test was wrong. She's busted.

It looks as if intramuscular injection releases the hormone slowly (and even sporadically in some cases) leading to the longer detection window when the "depot" in the muscle releases trace amounts up to a year after a single steroid shot.

But it the hormone is taken orally or directly into the vein, there is no muscular depot, and the half-life is short. Correspondingly when the hormone is once gone, it is gone forever.

Aragon wrote:

It looks as if intramuscular injection releases the hormone slowly (and even sporadically in some cases) leading to the longer detection window when the "depot" in the muscle releases trace amounts up to a year after a single steroid shot.

But it the hormone is taken orally or directly into the vein, there is no muscular depot, and the half-life is short. Correspondingly when the hormone is once gone, it is gone forever.

Orally is an extremely ineffective route to absorb the drug, as well. It takes quite a lot of nandrolone orally to make a difference.

You’re better off injecting a very minuscule amount that keeps you under 2 (Shelby got popped for 5.)

enquiring minds wrote:

Hate Nike with a passion, want to see almost all of ex-NOP burn and half of BTC, but not going to let that cloud judgment on something that doesn't add up here.

Still waiting for someone to explain how she escaped all previous testing in and out of competition, especially since Heusden which was July 2018, we're not talking just a few tests but 50

Either it's the worst detection system in the world or there wasn't any actual testing just pretend?

Which previous sample failed? Go back and test previous samples if you want to claim she is a systematic doper.

Nandrolone has a half-life of 6 to 12 days but apparently there is a technique they use now that can detect 120 days out, so that would be impossible to hide.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0039128X16000350

Stopped reading after your opening paragraph of lies.

Weak effort Shelby.

I was previously in U.S. military. Taboo were recreational drugs. Guys on roids took urinalysis for years with no issue. All it took was one steroid junky to act a fool while suffering roid rage. I theorize not all urine samples are tested every time urine samples are collected. Do not twist yourself into a pretzel wondering why they gave Shelby Houlihan a pass in previous years. We know December, 2020 Houlihan was asked for a urine sample and urine sample was tested. We know Houlihan tested positive 250% more than allowable level of steroids. Do not fret about office politics. Poster, you are worrying why they did not bust Houlihan in previous years. All you need to know: December, 2020 Houlihan was in the cross-hairs and they got her. Case closed.

What I’m waiting for, is for someone to explain to me why she would take nandrolone orally when it is proven to be completely in effective when taken orally. By the testing agencies own admission, the dosage must have been taken orally and it was not habitual. They admitted that what they are accusing her of would have had no performance impact, which is not to say that it’s permissible, but rather that there is no reason for her to have done it, making an accidental consumption the more plausible explanation.

And besides that, why would she take a drug test she knew she would fail? Someone please tell why she would do that, or how she somehow would not have known she would fail if she was indeed doping.

None of the this is adding up. I’ll concede that the burrito story is not adding up, but you must admit the oral nandrolone and consenting-test are not adding up either.

because you are only hearing one side of the story - the btc / nike / shelby side. And its vague, insubstantial nonsense.

when the cas report is issued things should be much more clear.

the smokescreen is a deliberate ploy of the corporate drug loving shills.

She didn't take it orally....no matter where you are reading it....

My understanding of WADA testing is they aren't taking a sample then testing for the hundreds of steroids, designer steroids, etc. They aren't testing for specific substances initially. Someone correct me if I am wrong

They test for a profile and T:E ratio is part of that profile. So provided you are taking substances A, B, C etc and following a very precise regime of exercise, sleep, water intake, substance intake, etc you will NEVER pop the profile that triggers further evaluation. And the T:E profile is remarkably high to account for outliers that don't exist. So you cheat up to the line but never over it.

Lance Armstrong is the most tested athlete in history and was on a TON of stuff and NEVER popped hot.

Alan

Previously in U.S. military wrote:

I was previously in U.S. military. Taboo were recreational drugs. Guys on roids took urinalysis for years with no issue. All it took was one steroid junky to act a fool while suffering roid rage. I theorize not all urine samples are tested every time urine samples are collected. Do not twist yourself into a pretzel wondering why they gave Shelby Houlihan a pass in previous years. We know December, 2020 Houlihan was asked for a urine sample and urine sample was tested. We know Houlihan tested positive 250% more than allowable level of steroids. Do not fret about office politics. Poster, you are worrying why they did not bust Houlihan in previous years. All you need to know: December, 2020 Houlihan was in the cross-hairs and they got her. Case closed.

The military tests for roids?

Runningart2004 wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Essential reading. It really is that easy and everyone is doing it

Runningart2004 wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Interesting article.

I tend to doubt everything I hear or read anymore so I don't know what to make of Shelby's situation.

It seems to me that the most likely scenario, in this case, would be an injection of a legal substance (B12, for example) or an illegal substance that was laced with nandrolone. These injections could be ongoing, but only that one vial was corrupted.

What's your opinion of that theory?

Or, is microdosing the most likely scenario? Perhaps with one vial containing higher levels of nandrolone than labeled.

Or is she innocent? I don't see that as realistic, but I don't have a grasp of the intricacies of doping.

gohabsgo wrote:

Previously in U.S. military wrote:

I was previously in U.S. military. Taboo were recreational drugs. Guys on roids took urinalysis for years with no issue. All it took was one steroid junky to act a fool while suffering roid rage. I theorize not all urine samples are tested every time urine samples are collected. Do not twist yourself into a pretzel wondering why they gave Shelby Houlihan a pass in previous years. We know December, 2020 Houlihan was asked for a urine sample and urine sample was tested. We know Houlihan tested positive 250% more than allowable level of steroids. Do not fret about office politics. Poster, you are worrying why they did not bust Houlihan in previous years. All you need to know: December, 2020 Houlihan was in the cross-hairs and they got her. Case closed.

The military tests for roids?

It's not part of the standard protocol but it can be ordered.

Alan

My guess is that the drugs they are getting from China were contaminated with nandrolone. No distance runner is taking nandrolone on purpose.

If it's an oral my best guess is winstrol or a similar designer drug. Lots of distance runners have taken winstrol.....

So best guess is nandrolone contamination in the winstrol.

Alan

That's a great, and sobering, article. As a point of comparison with another dedicated amateur athlete/professional journalist, Matt Fitzgerald's summer of full-time pro training with NAZ Elite let him bump up his VDOT 3-4 points, as measured by race results. Over a similar time frame, the BBC journalist on EPO raised his vO2max by 5 points.

Access to pro coaching/medical consultants/dieticians/training at altitude: basically unavailable at any price; relocation to Flagstaff and full-time commitment required.

14 weeks of EPO, delivered in the mail, that not even WADA can detect: £300

Well, we're screwed.