Big development: Woman who falsely testified in Jarrion Lawson case is one who popped Houlihan. Houlihan ordered a carne asada b

westie boy wrote:

Barry Badrinath wrote:

Bingo.

Ding ding ding we have a winner. Actually a Doper.

Interesting to see the actual numbers/difference.

A huge and notable difference.

Kevin Beck’s blog is spot on.

I guess it did nothing for the countless athletes that got popped before her?

Just victims of the conspiratorial Knights Templars of old school track and field records

This case has nothing to do with a food truck except as a vehicle for a doping cheater's lies. The PEDs came through injections and pills and inhalers

Hold the presses! It has just come out that Alberto Salazar had his son eat a pork burrito after telling him it was carne asada, made him run on the treadmill at race pace for thirty minutes, then had him tested for Nandorlone! He was concerned that someone might slip pork into his athlete's food and they might get a positive test.

Although no Nandorlone was detected in the test, this clearly proves that all Salazar athletes are dirty but Shelby had been totally exonerated!

1. Good job on the article.

2. I think the system is broken, and highly subject to gross unfairness and political corruption, whereby ‘they’ can just pick and choose at whim who does or does not get busted.

3. Another case (of probably dozens) that I think should be looked at more closely is Kiprop.

4. It may or may not be possible to implement a more fair doping control system, but they could possibly start by publishing ALL (COMPLETE and not redacted) test results of EVERY TEST from EVERY ATHLETE that is tested, regardless of actual test results. Let the chips fall where they may, and let the public and athletes examine all the chips.

How is Ayotte still running a lab after provide false information in the Lawson case?!?! That’s just unbelievable that she’s still employed.

Still think Shelby is guilty because they all are and I’m totally for it. This level of PED’s is nowhere on the level of Russia or the old eastern bloc. Couldn’t careless. She wasn’t winning anything anyway.

Maybe I eat too much Mexican food, but if I got offal instead of carne asada, I would know after the first bite. The better story was pork because carnitas are pretty greasy and could get mixed in with some offal when cooked in a giant pot. But carne asada is grilled and would not taste anything close to pork offal.

Also, most traditional pork offal in Mexican food is not the kind of offal that can result in a false positive. Generally, it is kidney, heart and mostly liver that can cause a false positive. The usual pork offal in Mexican food is odds and ends like snout, stomach, intestines, etc. It is pretty rare to see kidney, heart or liver at your local taco truck. And pork offal is pretty rare in and of itself. The standard offal is tongue, tripe, cow's head and other beef products. Even if there was pork liver, kidney or heart, I doubt anyone would be filling a burrito up with that stuff.

wejo wrote:

So she has a food log and says she ate carne asada?

The fact she is admitting she didn’t order pork makes me want to believe her more.

She easily could have said ‘my iPhone proves I was at the food truck’ . I ordered pork burrito.

How could we doubt that?

I’m curious how everyone remembers the burrito was really greasy? Not sure if remember what I ate a few months ago. But overall if it was at a unique enough place like a training trip yes. Weird thing is I just ate pork tacos and was debating between them and carne asada. They really were greasy.

I may have to rescind my St Augustine invite.

As Gault notes the Lawson case traced the beef supply. BTC has far more resources than Lawson did. They obviously knew the tactics used to defend Lawson and others but did not seem to employ them. Why??

Other posters note, un-castrated pig meat is very rare in the US. If un-castrated pig organs were used, they should have been able to trace them back to a possible supplier. In December 2020, there was not much movement of people and animal products between the US and Mexico. There would need to be a local supplier.

While I understand Gault's position closely associated with runners and coaches, he needs to realize that this was a very strange year, and some people's behavior changed.

Lawyer's doing what they do best: smoke and mirrors.

VroomVroom wrote:

How is Ayotte still running a lab after provide false information in the Lawson case?!?! That’s just unbelievable that she’s still employed.

Still think Shelby is guilty because they all are and I’m totally for it. This level of PED’s is nowhere on the level of Russia or the old eastern bloc. Couldn’t careless. She wasn’t winning anything anyway.

Because she didn't? That fact is a LetsRun special trying to discredit a lab director.

1) I knew she didn't order a pig offal burrito, no matter how many times her lawyer referenced "this pig offal burrito" (30:08 of press conference)

I'm going to give him (and Shalane) leeway for saying this because that is their assumption, but they are playing loose with facts and language so now you have to second guess everything they say including the most convincing bits about there being no reason to take nandrolene orally and that AIU ruled out injection. Now it seems like they're trying to spin what happened.

2) Carne asada is the most middle-American order. It is cubes of steak and maybe you might be confused if you got al pastor (also grilled cubes of meat), but if you got carnitas mixed with some offal grease or even got a whole offal burrito, as the lawyer seems to be implying, I don't think you're just going to down the whole grease bomb. It is going to taste gamey to you and most carne asada people would not be able to handle the texture.

22twos wrote:

Can a scientist chirp in here? I’m curious if this an amount that indeed could come from meat. Surprised the brothers haven’t asked anyone for their article.

For example, after Jon Jones appealed his failed test, a bunch of experts showed the actual math of why his (and Joe Rogan’s) excuses were complete BS, physiologically.

the best defense is to find the food truck and get the info on the meat and test it.

if that is not possible, (red flag) then you can go several local providers of said meat.

and test for PED,

and then do the math (i.e. consumption amount versus response).

the defense has the ability to do this.

if they do not present this evidence, then they are guilty of not defending themselves in a fist fight.

Tastes Like Chicken wrote:

mayhaveralready posted wrote:

You know what's funny ?

The woman mentionned in your post, C. Ayotte may have posted on this forum, under her real name in a thread about nandrolone, about 16 years ago ?

letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=886533#928862

Wow! Nice find.

The best part is when a bot bumped the thread in 2009 with a website to purchase nandrolone online.

*It is absolutely concerning that the same woman who provided fake testimony for Lawson is the one who popped Houlihan. There is no denying this at all.*

I like Gault's work, and I think he's being fair. I just don't think the "because I know her" argument is going to hold up anymore regarding Shelby. The truth is that none of us know her.

I'm one of those people who is inclined to believe she is innocent, despite this. But I really really wanna know what the CAS case and the AIU case will come out and say against her.

and for the billionth time. WHERE IS CENTRO? He was so quick to defend Salazar but not his girlfriend? Why do I get the feeling that Shelby is lacking some support due to her affiliations with him?

VroomVroom wrote:

How is Ayotte still running a lab after provide false information in the Lawson case?!?! That’s just unbelievable that she’s still employed.

Still think Shelby is guilty because they all are and I’m totally for it. This level of PED’s is nowhere on the level of Russia or the old eastern bloc. Couldn’t careless. She wasn’t winning anything anyway.

thank you for being partial. Shelby is a convicted doper lets call it for what it is. Lets all have the same energy they gave to everyone outside the USA, the black American sprinters, and NOP.

gameantenna wrote:

i heart heavy metal. wrote:

so LRC believes Shelby because she's white.

Got it

Exactly. I can't believe people are falling for this psychopathic sh*t. Had it been anyone outside the USA they wouldn't even give her a second thought. But since it's a white American we get multiple 10 page articles about how the doping system is flawed? How convenient that the people who are quick to call out dopers quick are now questioning the very system that they've been praising after one of their own gets ousted as a doper. I've seen it all on Letsrun but this bullsh*t needs to end.

GO TO HELL. You are the racist one for bringing race into it at all.

Or they don't want that level of discovery, you are simply supposed to nod when 'tainted burrito' is said. "oh yes, she was the one who got screwed by that burrito -- carry on"