Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

Check your math. The first step is doubly wrong.

The good news is that she only has about 3 1/2 years left on her suspension and she gets to keep her American records.

Whoops, yes you're right. Rushed trying to break it down step by step versus just doing the calculation. I have updated it for

Molecular weight of 19-norandrosterone (19-NA) is 276.42. So:

276.42 g of 19-NA in 1 L = 1 M (molar)

276.42 mg in 1 L = 1 mM (millimolar)

276.42 mg in 1 mL = 1 uM (micromolar)

276.42 ug in 1 mL = 1 nM (nanomolar)

276.42 ng in 1 mL = 1 pM (picomolar)

So, the 5 ng in 1 mL = 0.0181 pM or 18.1 fM (femtomolar) of 19-NA in her urine sample.

This is 10 x less than I initially posted and is such a small amount seeing the errors of the measurements and instrumentation is important.

Converting from nano to femto is creating a far smaller unit. Of course it’s going to be lower

I am converting from ng/mL to a molarity, which is a better reflection of actual concentration because it normalizes for the molecular weight of the substance.

From molarity you can calculate the number of molecules present in a given volume, which you can't do with e.g. ng/mL.

I'm a bit confused why they didn't just have a couple other people order and consume the same burrito then test their levels? LOL? I suspect there is *much* more going on here than the public is privy to.

this is absurd. the system has to change! i want easy, definitive proof that any athlete cheats without necessarily ruining their chance to shine if at the end they were clean. There are many ways to confirm whether or not they are dirty such as requiring them to get tested on a regular basis and providing long term samples/markers such as hair samples, creating a bio passport, and so on.

i don t know if she is clean or not, but as a fan of the sport we are missing out a great show specially if Hassan skips 1500.

i am still hoping for a miracle...

Peter Pork Expert Bromka just tweeted:

"Passionate about anti-doping" seems to these days stand for "burning athletes down before we know all the facts."

What a complete joke this guy is. It's not like this is an accusation from last week. She literally failed a drug test, months ago, appealed and lost that. Galen Rupp wouldve been buried by this same guy 5 mins after the announcement. Shelby deserves 3 chances? We dont know all the facts? He just wants something to magically change since he works for Nike.

edu08 wrote:

i don t know if she is clean or not, but as a fan of the sport we are missing out a great show specially if Hassan skips 1500.

Not being sarcastic but it bummed me to no end they wouldn't let barry bonds hit 800 homeruns and kicked him out of the sport. The last embers of my baseball watching ended around the same time.

Eat meat, but be careful wrote:

How difficult to check that mexican food burrito truck and how much contaminated meat per burrito?

That is like blowing up their bluff. Nike done it already and it didn't help them so mum.

Just got done all 45 pages, and I have a few thoughts.

-This is really bad regardless of innocence or guilt for the sport. I'm not sure if if there is room for running to be a legitimate sport in today's world. It's a joke.

-Her explanation sounds ridiculous to me. She's not going to eat one burrito and have a positive test, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's guilty. There might be another explanation

-If you think about it, the sport seems to inherently select for dopers. If the drugs work, the people taking them are the ones that win the medals.

-Just because someone seems nice, honest, and totally against doping doesn't mean that they are

-Honestly if she was on a doping

gaz_ultra wrote:

Whoops, yes you're right. Rushed trying to break it down step by step versus just doing the calculation. I have updated it for

Molecular weight of 19-norandrosterone (19-NA) is 276.42. So:

276.42 g of 19-NA in 1 L = 1 M (molar)

276.42 mg in 1 L = 1 mM (millimolar)

276.42 mg in 1 mL = 1 uM (micromolar)

Sorry I was in a rush, should have been more clear. You found only one of the two errors. The other one: you decreased the volume by a factor of 1000, going from 1 L to 1 mL, and then should have increased the volume by a factor of 1000 instead of decreasing it.

So it's 1 M, not 1 uM. g/L = mg/mL. Your calculation is off by a factor of 10^6.

++ accidentally entered the post before finishing

-If she was on a doping regimen, it's for a reason, you probably couldn't compete at the professional level if you didn't.

-I think the people supporting her on instagram should withhold judgement until we have more facts. She had a positive test and if she is doping, it's cheating and shouldn't be defended

-However, I do feel concern for her and wish her the best in this difficult time

-We need to stop taking it so seriously. It's just running, and we need to make sure that people are competing in a healthy and honest way.

-The current program of drug testing is not working and needs to change.

-If she is innocent, I doubt it, but I hope there is a way for her to prove it to us

You're right, thanks for catching that - sorry ignore my posts - must not have my head screwed on right today lol!

high school xc coach wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

As I have also said - everyone in front of her was also on it.

lol@ 32 low. 31 seconds is race pace for a 3:55

I took times from the video replay.

I watched Hadsell's weekly show tonight and he made a fairly compelling argument that she may be telling the truth. Hadsell has gone through his own scandal years ago so maybe take with a grain of salt. It is a compelling view regardless. I don't know where his show is available as a podcast as I was sent to the live feed via Twitter.

What about Centro and all the other Dopers?

Centro still gets acne all over his face even back not suspicious at all.

He will probably get protected cuz of his dirty medal.

Good lord people....

The levels you have to have to pop hot are so astronomically high that it would be impossible to eat a burrito and pop hot or have natural levels that high.

Nandrolone is also not an oral steroid so you can't just squirt a syringe in a burrito.

So....either she's dirty or the lab is dirty.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Good lord people....

The levels you have to have to pop hot are so astronomically high that it would be impossible to eat a burrito and pop hot or have natural levels that high.

Nandrolone is also not an oral steroid so you can't just squirt a syringe in a burrito.

So....either she's dirty or the lab is dirty.

Alan

Alan, there are studies showing that non-castrated pig meat can cause urine levels to pop the threshold. It's not a -completely- implausible excuse.

AFAIK from my reading over the last few days, natural levels are low 10ths of a ng/mL, so maybe only 10-20X under the limit.