Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

We may side-eye the way this has been rolled out, but the mainstream media is eating up the burrito excuse and oh WADA is so corrupt.

The double and triple standards are gross. Ban them all, no matter their skin color or nationality.

It's a shame since I liked BTC, but if this is the sword Shalane falls on ... WTF.

I would like to hear CAS side of why they didn't accept her explanation. Is this a different substance than previous incidents such as Wilson's case and others? Does the restaurant that served the beef use untainted beef? Let's hear CAS fact findings.

Let's not lose sight of the few tangential but still relevant facts (or lack of stated facts):

1. Neither she nor Jerry said she actually ate pork. They said she ate from a truck that served "pig organ meat." So even if we assume uncastrated pork meat, or meat from doped up animals can create enough metabolites for a positive test, it doesn't seem like she was able to convince CAS that there was enough of a link between what she ate and the possible effects of pork.

2. WADA published warnings in 2011 and again in 2019 about the risks of tainted meat and possible positive tests. A quick google search shows these are WADA publications.

3. Someone earlier in the thread posted a screenshot of one of her teammates saying "I've tried to write these words for days..." [or something to that effect], suggesting that the team knew about the ban at least a few days before the presser and had time to prepare a united front. It's also shady timing to announce the ban right before trials declarations and after people had scratched.

astro wrote:

Hassan's blood can fuel an automobile it is so chemically altered.

Yet she couldn’t keep a world record....

And how about the dude who broke the 5000 and 10,000 WR’s? That guy is radioactive if Hassan is. Not even subtle

the trolling is Rreal wrote:

astro wrote:

Hassan's blood can fuel an automobile it is so chemically altered.

Yet she couldn’t keep a world record....

And how about the dude who broke the 5000 and 10,000 WR’s? That guy is radioactive if Hassan is. Not even subtle

You're starting to get the picture.

So I suffer from a severe peanut allergy and am allergic to some fruits (the latter developing in adulthood). Cross-contamination is very real, and so my eating out option have become very limited. No buffets. No food trucks. Lots of cooking at home.

I'm just a normal person. World-class athletes need to be more careful. I am really surprised she's eating food from food trucks? I thought people at her level would be eating more healthy options ...

le chat noir wrote:

So I suffer from a severe peanut allergy and am allergic to some fruits (the latter developing in adulthood). Cross-contamination is very real, and so my eating out option have become very limited. No buffets. No food trucks. Lots of cooking at home.

I'm just a normal person. World-class athletes need to be more careful. I am really surprised she's eating food from food trucks? I thought people at her level would be eating more healthy options ...

I'm not sure why so many are failing to understand that she did not have a TRACE amount in her system.

rojo wrote:

we heard what here first? wrote:

Usually when you start a thread title with "you heard it here first," it means that you actually know what the news is and you are sharing it. We didn't hear it here first because we still don't know what "it" is.

Well we said what we heard on the podcast. We said we heard she had tested positive and was fighting it with the contanimated foor like Ajee Wilson. We asked her agent Stephen Haas about it a week or two ago and he said he had heard nothing about it.

It seems like there are three options.

1) It's not about this (she could be injured).

2) It's about this and Haas lied to us.

3) It's about this and Haas didn't know as Houlihan kept him in the dark.

She definitely had a small injury earlier this year, nothing serious, but I think it's plausible Jerry/Shelby used the injury for explanation to Haas as to why she wasn't racing. Then again Bowerman barely races anyways, so Haas probably didn't think too much of it.

I also wouldn't really blame Haas for lying either. If her appeal was successful then this whole ordeal would have been under the rug. Guilty or not it still makes headlines and ppl would have called her a doper just because. That's reflected on Shelby, Jerry, but also Haas too.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Watching her finish at Doha convinced me she was on rocket fuel.

Last 200 in 32 low running wide compared to Hassan's 30 low from the front. 😲

As I have also said - everyone in front of her was also on it.

All studies on metabolite concentrations in pig sex organs vs liver are flawed because they normalize extracts to number of cells, not accounting for organ size. Due to the widely variable cell size in pig sex organs, the data are inconclusive and thus eating pig balls as a supplement cannot be verified by the science

David4924 wrote:

Right. The frustrating thing to me, or rather the potentially frustrating thing, is that... is there a way that we can really really really absolutely 100% know if she did it or didn't do it. Sometimes I feel like we can't get there, but I hope that a good follow-up article that includes input from technical experts will help a lot. I apologize if anyone has already laid out a coherent and strong argument that's more scientifically based, because it's difficult for me to go back and forth between the posts and the pages and what seems to be somewhat contradictory input and be convinced totally. That's why I'm hoping for a follow-up article.

Yes she 'did it' because that is the rule and I quote:

"It is each Athlete’s duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters his body.

Athletes are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers

found to be present in their Samples. Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent, Fault,

negligence or knowing Use on the Athlete’s part be demonstrated in order to establish

an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under Article 2.1."

All they have to do is find that result and you are toast. Sure they listen politely to your lawyer for a bit first.

Maybe she tried to cheat the drug test by using male pig urine? Hmmm...

I am conflicted on this:

Would love to see the reason why they upheld the decision and why the denied her appeal with the evidence she presented.

Also if she was doping and knew she would test positive (which most people doping know when they will and won't), why wouldn't she just skip the test? She has never tested positive before and never missed a test or had a whereabouts failure. So why not "miss" the test when they show up to cover yourself?

Hubris. Passed tests before while doping, thought she'd pass this one.

Easy.

casual obsever wrote:

Well both independent organizations, AIU and CAS, ruled against the suspect after listening to the experts and the suspect's team of lawyers. 4 years, sounds like a clear cut case to the experts.

Houlihan got lucky that she received special treatment (why did she? That's a more interesting question) and the first judgment was kept secret. This way, her side of the story came out first (the dog ate my homework).

This is where I’m landing... She tested positive in December, had her hearings and didn’t convince AIU or CAS. In addition to the fact that athletes are responsible for whatever they put in their body- intentional or not. The crazy progression since 2018 is just additional indication that she was doping.

Curiosity wrote:

I am conflicted on this:

Would love to see the reason why they upheld the decision and why the denied her appeal with the evidence she presented.

Also if she was doping and knew she would test positive (which most people doping know when they will and won't), why wouldn't she just skip the test? She has never tested positive before and never missed a test or had a whereabouts failure. So why not "miss" the test when they show up to cover yourself?

She didnt actually present any evidence tho. Her hair sample was provided over a month later and a simple haircut/trim would do the trick. The receipts of where she ate doesnt hold up because the levels she had in her system far surpass what pig organ meat from 1 burrito could present.

She received the same length of ban as AlSal. Think about that. That is the level that was in her system. This trace amounts talk is comical. Jarrion Lawson actually had trace amounts and tested nearly 10 times lower than Shelby.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Last 200 in 32 low running wide compared to Hassan's 30 low from the front. 😲

As I have also said - everyone in front of her was also on it.

lol@ 32 low. 31 seconds is race pace for a 3:55

I am curious about whether other Olympic sports outside of track and field have had positive testing that was attributed to tainted meat -- ie shooting sports, rhythmic gymnastics, ice dancing, etc. The only cases of tainted meat "false positives" that I am aware of occurred in extremely lean individuals in a strength or endurance discipline. But I don't follow these other sports. I

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Also, such a hilarious day for all BTC fans who had it out for NOP lol. Glass house living!!!!