If you are vaccinated, why do you care that I am not?

Yawn^7 wrote:

Get out of your bubble. It will do you good.

No wonder your mind is boggled by those who think different then you and CNN

I am convinced that Harambe and 2600 are both on the payroll of a well funded pro-vaccine group.

Where are we today ? Public Health officials have been kind enough to put out warnings on all 3 US vaccines.

"The roughly 10 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will still be distributed in the U.S. and donated to other countries. The salvaged doses will come with a warning stating federal regulators could not guarantee that the manufacturing plant’s operator, Emergent BioSolutions, followed good manufacturing practices, the Times reported."

"The Food and Drug Administration is expected to add a warning to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s fact sheet about the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following the second dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine."

"Myocarditis is characterized as inflammation of the heart muscle. Pericarditis is inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart. Symptoms include chest pain, shortness of breath and heart palpitations. They typically appear within a week after the second dose of the mRNA vaccine."

Speed over 60 wrote:

Thank you, Russian troll !!

Classic

2600 bro wrote:

[quote]Yawn^7 wrote:

Let’s not also forget the other topic of big tech censoring any articles early on about the origins of Covid from a lab.

But injured and 2600 said no pressure from above.

Clowns.

I've read like 7 preprints in the past month with in-depth discussions about possible origins.

Not on Facebook you didn't. Not on CNNN, NBC, MSNBC, or CBS you didn't, Not in the NY Times you didn't.

If the risk of myocarditis is the reason you're not getting the vaccine, you might want to rethink things.

You are something else. You have zero math in your favor because it’s impossible to have long term data on a years worth of data (and even that data is thin).

Just saying “the math is on my side you crazy anti vaxxers “ doesn’t make it true. You keep pushing that propaganda line though. I can’t keep holding your hand through simple logical steps.

Also, how can trump help when people like you don’t want him on Facebook or Twitter. Didn’t think that one through did you?

Yawn^7 wrote:

You are something else. You have zero math in your favor because it’s impossible to have long term data on a years worth of data (and even that data is thin).

Just saying “the math is on my side you crazy anti vaxxers “ doesn’t make it true. You keep pushing that propaganda line though. I can’t keep holding your hand through simple logical steps.

Also, how can trump help when people like you don’t want him on Facebook or Twitter. Didn’t think that one through did you?

A. I did the math a few pages back, it says that you are nearly 100 times more likely to get myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccine. On the other hand, you claimed that the math was on your side, but you never actually showed anyone what math you were talking about.

B. I can only go based on what we know now. If by "long term data" you mean more than what we have now, then we have no long term data on either Covid or the vaccine. However, there's no rational reason to believe that the long term effects of the vaccine will be worse than the virus, as we've already seen in the last 7 months that the vaccine is much safer than the virus. If you have some data that's not available to the scientists of the world, don't keep it a secret, let us know about it. But please do better than blaming "Big Pharma" or "the Establishment".

C. As someone who's never been on Facebook or Twitter, I can remind you that there are ways to communicate outside of those platforms. Commericials, PSAs, public statements etc. I can't tell you how many commercials I've seen over the last year from my state's Department of Health, first encouraging testing and now encouraging vaccinations. If Trump filmed a commercial encouraging vaccinations, it would be very powerful. If he made an appearance at a vaccination site, the media would show up.

Jefe in the CO wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

If we had herd immunity there wouldn't be the current somewhat stable level of infection in the community....

We are close.

In the community of ...?

What is your rationale for health authorities ignoring a large % of the population that has natural immunity then?

Certainly public health experts are aware of this. There are two factors to consider however.

The first is that there is definitely some overlap between people with natural immunity and people who have been vaccinated. That means that you cannot just add the two numbers. If the proportion of people vaccinated is constant between people previously infected with Covid and the rest of the community, then only 40% of that group would be infected and unvaccinated. As the percent vaccinated increases, this number shrinks..

Considering approximately 35% of the population having been previously infected, but only 10% being aware,I would put it at 16% in the US at present.

Second: As newer variants prove more infectious in the non-immune population, and more likely to escape immunity in the immune population, the immune percentage required to control the virus increases. Herd immunity is not based on a fixed percentage, but varies depending on characteristics of the virus, the level of immunity, and the environment

As an example, with measles, In order to reach herd immunity well over 90% of the population needs to be vaccinated. Measles had an R0 of around 13 in the US. It looks like with the delta variant we are around an R0 of 6, where at the beginning of the pandemic R0 was more like a 3

ImpaIa31 wrote:

Jefe in the CO wrote:

In the community of ...?

What is your rationale for health authorities ignoring a large % of the population that has natural immunity then?

Funny how he did not reply.

Bro... it didn't warrant a response. The 7 day average of new cases in the US has held stead at ~10k/day for a few weeks. That's counter-evidence for herd immunity. Plus... it's ignoring the places that have rising rates!

It's obviously way way better than it's practically ever been but herd immunity implies the viral cannot propagate because it has too few vectors.

The US is making a choice because we have to an enormous vaccine supply to push for everyone to become vaccinated regardless of prior COVID infection. Mainly because evidence points to be might significantly more protective to be vaccinated than rely on prior infection. Furthermore the logistics of quantifying to strength/durability of an individuals immune response would be logistically difficult.

Yawn^7 wrote:

You are something else. You have zero math in your favor because it’s impossible to have long term data on a years worth of data (and even that data is thin).

Just saying “the math is on my side you crazy anti vaxxers “ doesn’t make it true. You keep pushing that propaganda line though. I can’t keep holding your hand through simple logical steps.

Also, how can trump help when people like you don’t want him on Facebook or Twitter. Didn’t think that one through did you?

Current evidence supports his claims.

You can speculate there will be a wave of evidence in 2 months? 2 years? 20 years? that overturns current evidence. But you and I both know that is statistically improbable give then vaccinated and infected populations.

Of course it's easier to just claim it's "a lie" so you can cling to your narrative!

DanM wrote:

I am convinced that Harambe and 2600 are both on the payroll of a well funded pro-vaccine group

That's what I'm wondering. These two post with such antagonistic & imperious attitudes, and such consistently toward pushing the vaccine on the anti-vaxx as well as those on the fence. It's like a never ending "one-two punch" from these guys. Would this tie into the 10 Billion that Biden allocated toward a "campaign to fight vaccine hesitancy?" (10 Bil is a helluva lot of $$$ just to go after the vaccine hesitant). Or would Moderna & Pfizer have an internal program where they pay & support pro-vaccine groups?

The irony of this is that Harambe & 2600 are probably good Joes who share a passion of running, fitness, healthy eating, etc., with the rest of us here but are simply being compensated to do a job.

Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

[quote]DanM wrote:

I am convinced that Harambe and 2600 are both on the payroll of a well funded pro-vaccine group

I think they are the grand-children of the people who totally panicked when Orson Welles did his famous radio show "War of the Worlds" on Halloween in 1938.

Or the children of those who really thought the people on Gilligan's Island were actually stranded there

There is no evidence. You are only basing your view on the belief that current trends will hold. There are many cases that you have chosen to ignore of medical “breakthroughs” that turned out to be pretty bad in the long run. Heroin used to be sold as a cough suppressant, you want to try that now?

I am also passionate about people making well-informed evidence-based decisions.

Trust me, I wish I was getting paid for this.

2600 bro wrote:

I am also passionate about people making well-informed evidence-based decisions.

Trust me, I wish I was getting paid for this.

C'mon man...do you really expect me to believe that you would disclose that you're part of a well-funded pro-vaxx group or you're in the vaccine business getting some of the Biden money to combat vaccine hesitancy? Didn't Nike have paid interns permeate this site under anonymous user names to run damage control when the Salazar doping crisis broke out a couple years ago? So, these kinds of agendas can occur.

Again, I don't blame you if you're being compensated for pushing the vaccines - we all need to make a buck these days. 😉

Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I am also passionate about people making well-informed evidence-based decisions.

Trust me, I wish I was getting paid for this.

C'mon man...do you really expect me to believe that you would disclose that you're part of a well-funded pro-vaxx group or you're in the vaccine business getting some of the Biden money to combat vaccine hesitancy? Didn't Nike have paid interns permeate this site under anonymous user names to run damage control when the Salazar doping crisis broke out a couple years ago? So, these kinds of agendas can occur.

Again, I don't blame you if you're being compensated for pushing the vaccines - we all need to make a buck these days. 😉

Hahahaha if this was my JOB I would go insane.

2600 bro wrote:

The US is making a choice because we have to an enormous vaccine supply to push for everyone to become vaccinated regardless of prior COVID infection. Mainly because evidence points to be might significantly more protective to be vaccinated than rely on prior infection. Furthermore the logistics of quantifying to strength/durability of an individuals immune response would be logistically difficult.

It's really just a fault of mine that I want to help the less knowledgeable understand why some the posts here are truly idiotic, hilarious, or bordering on "psychopathic fearmongering."

First it was about COVID prorogation, testing, and deaths rates - now it's about vaccines! A lot of fun if you don't take it too seriously.

That was helpful, thanks.