Whittni Orton and Courtney Wayment’s stock plunged this week

True but may go up after trials.

The real money is for those that sign before the Trials.

Bye Den wrote:

True but may go up after trials.

The hell is Orton gonna do at the trials?

she needs an agent wrote:Diljeet and her lousy race tactics hurt both of these athletes this week as they both were worth more to nearly every shoe company last week than they are today.

If you look at the splits of Orton's race it looks like she just went out with the leaders (especially since she was leading) but ran out of gas over the last 1600.

Of course something must have gone right as Anna Camp from BYU won the 1500.

Need more fuel in the tank wrote:

she needs an agent wrote:Diljeet and her lousy race tactics hurt both of these athletes this week as they both were worth more to nearly every shoe company last week than they are today.

If you look at the splits of Orton's race it looks like she just went out with the leaders (especially since she was leading) but ran out of gas over the last 1600.

Of course something must have gone right as Anna Camp from BYU won the 1500.

Orton took the lead and lead by 2 seconds thru at least 1000

she needs an agent wrote:

Diljeet and her lousy race tactics hurt both of these athletes this week as they both were worth more to nearly every shoe company last week than they are today.

I think Wayment made a tactical mistake to not make her move with 600-800m remaining, but I think Orton just didn't have it this weekend for whatever reason. Neither of them were superstars in high school, so Taylor deserves credit for developing them into the athletes they are today. Wayment was still the indoor 3K champion and anchored the DMR to victory, and Orton was part of the national championship cross country team. Just because they had a disappointing performance at one meet doesn't mean that they won't be fine in the long run.

And of course Anna Camp won the 1500, which was a result that nobody really predicted. Claire Seymour also finished fourth in the 800, which wasn't a prediction I was seeing either.

Orton did the same thing in cross country...led most of the race then fell apart. Seems like maybe a psychological thing going on there. She looked distressed during the 5K, especially compared to Henes, who looked almost bored most of the way.

bbg95 wrote:

she needs an agent wrote:

Diljeet and her lousy race tactics hurt both of these athletes this week as they both were worth more to nearly every shoe company last week than they are today.

I think Wayment made a tactical mistake to not make her move with 600-800m remaining, but I think Orton just didn't have it this weekend for whatever reason. Neither of them were superstars in high school, so Taylor deserves credit for developing them into the athletes they are today. Wayment was still the indoor 3K champion and anchored the DMR to victory, and Orton was part of the national championship cross country team. Just because they had a disappointing performance at one meet doesn't mean that they won't be fine in the long run.

Orton had a Touhy weekend, it happens. As far as the 5k, she ran her split plan and that put her out in front, it wasn't a situation where they were sending her out to crush the field early and then die...Coach Taylor knows what she is doing and her squad is on board, she didn't have the legs to run 75s and then kick at the end, go look at the splits, she lost her legs at 3400 meters and had zero kick. She went 1512 in the middle of May and 1542 in early April. bbg95 brings up an excellent point, look at what Coach Taylor does developing her runners, that is far more impressive than other programs like Stanford where a bunch of kids come in and go backwards. The true test for Coach Hennes will be what she does with the 2020 class, they need to be nothing less than great or she has failed and she has more firepower coming in. Hannah Steelman was a major disappointment this weekend. Krissy Gear really struggled too, she barely made it through, she is fast but was never a factor.

Orton had a nearly two second lead at 600 meters. The pack stayed together and didn't see her as a threat early on.

Wayment and the Oregon gal ran too hard in the semi and ran out of diesel in the final.

Orton didn't even look right on the starting line.

College distance runners can have disappointing meets. Orton did run 15:12 this year.

Is it Me or does that coach she like a real biotch !! Screaming her head off in practice and the meets . A little of that is great but excess is going to scare the athletes . She is pretty good but take it down a notch

The athletes love her. They are the best XC team in the NCAA. But you are free to make recommendations of how the best team should change.

It’s you. Her team loves her and she does so much that goes unseen. She’s authentic and isn’t shy about making noise. You’re only seeing a few clips but they don’t tell even a small part of the story.

dr no wrote:

Is it Me or does that coach she like a real biotch !! Screaming her head off in practice and the meets . A little of that is great but excess is going to scare the athletes . She is pretty good but take it down a notch

I prefer the Wetmore approach myself. No need to jump on the podium and hoist the wood. Can't stand coaches that have to be the center of attention.

Def like attention thats for sure

ace of base wrote:

dr no wrote:

Is it Me or does that coach she like a real biotch !! Screaming her head off in practice and the meets . A little of that is great but excess is going to scare the athletes . She is pretty good but take it down a notch

I prefer the Wetmore approach myself. No need to jump on the podium and hoist the wood. Can't stand coaches that have to be the center of attention.

She is like the female Sean Brosnan. Successful showboats.

ace of base wrote:

Wayment and the Oregon gal ran too hard in the semi and ran out of diesel in the final.

Orton didn't even look right on the starting line.

Agree with this Wayment take on the steeple prelim. There was no reason to hammer the last 600. With Orton, I'll speculate she was on aggressive build for XC nationals post injury and peaked too early in track.

It's nearly impossible to run compressed Indoor, Cross Country and Outdoor season and truly peak for all 3. With a few exceptions, the top men's teams in NCAA Cross were not strong in outdoor track.

All that said, Wayment and Orton are still fantastic runners with great upside. BYU was so dominant indoor and cross in March it's not surprising they were a bit off this week.