When will the vaccinated start showing health complications?

Runningart2004 wrote:

Do people have adverse reactions to ANY vaccine?

Yes.

Do people have serious health complications to ANY vaccine?

Yes.

Should you not get vaccinated at all to avoid these complications?

No. The diseases these vaccines protect you from are worse than the vaccines.

Alan

No...that does not make sense. At a certain point, the risk of complications exceeds the benefit. According to VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system), 100-200 people per year die from the flu vaccine per year. With these COVID cocktails, we are already over 5,000 deaths and tens of thousands of adverse events. This is just what's been reported. In any other case, these "vaccines" would have pulled from the market.

It's always a risk vs benefit analysis. It's always a choice. Just because authorities push a course of action does not mean you automatically do it.

You can make a good case for getting the vaccine or not getting. That's why it's best to avoid telling anyone what to do.

Here's VAERS site:

It's pretty cool cause you can read actual reports.

You guys are either dedicated trolls, complete f**king morons, or willfully ignoring. I’m betting a combo of all three.

For the COVID-19 vaccines VAERS now REQUIRES reporting of ALL severe events within the time frame after a vaccine dose. There is no requiring for causality for rationale. VAERS is essentially just a sampling of the background death rate for the vaccination population.

I’m sick of explaining this. I expect contrition from you moronic spam-posters or I’m going to call Rojo and complain!!!

Harambe wrote:

sickle wrote:

In my state more than 200000 people in my age group have gotten COVID in the last 15 months. 7 have died. 99.997% survival rate.

I’m not getting the vaccine.

COVID either kills you or does nothing to you... I see.

Transmission is also not something to worry about, I see.

Congrats you've managed to take a simple topic and still miss the two most important aspects! Impressive stupidity!

Vaccines either protect you or they don't...I see.

Q: How long does protection from a COVID-19 vaccine last ?

A: We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.

2600 Bro, Trolling is the only way to keep our sanity in these conversations. By the way, your uncle never emailed me about those vaxx ID cards...

Given my age and health status I have very small chance of getting COVID and even smaller chance of having anything more than a sniffle from it. If cases go up a whole lot I’ll think about getting vaxxed. Otherwise, I don’t need to.

Fewer than 1% of adverse effects are reported to VAERS, which is a passive collection system, and the deaths following the coronavirus injections (within the past 5+ months) vastly exceed all other deaths reported to VAERS during its entire 28+ year history.

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sickle wrote:

Didn’t get it and didn’t transmit it to anyone. Yeah the math worked for me. Thanks.

You took the risk for me and I reaped the rewards. Thanks bro.

Yeah exactly! It's part of the American tradition to support freeloaders and the less mentally fortunate. I get 2 for 1 karma with you.

Lol. You didn't even bother to read 2600's reply, did you. Or you are functionally illiterate. Probably both.

Health care providers are now required to report serious adverse events to VAERS that happen after administration of the COVID vaccine regardless of causaility. Previous vaccines require reporting -only- when related to specific AEs (often allergic reaction and others). Considering we've given 100+ million doses in a short time, you're basically just reporting the background rate of all these serious AEs, that the CDC then has to go and validate.

Anyway, you're far to dumb to understand this. Keep posting conspiracy blogs and 30 min 'bombshell' youtube videos.

Harambe wrote:

Health care providers are now required to report serious adverse events to VAERS that happen after administration of the COVID vaccine regardless of causaility.

Harambe, help me understand this because I can't get the math to add up. And when the math doesn't add up, I start questioning the talking points I hear and read.

Let's begin with reporting deaths under VAERS.

All deaths of vaccinated persons should be reported under VAERS, right? If so, here's the math (all numbers are approximate).

US age 85+ population: 6.5 million

SS actuarial table expected annual mortality at 85: 7.5%

Expected annual mortality in the age 85+ cohort: 487,500

From here on, we have to make some assumptions, but assuming 75% of the 85+ population was vaccinated by 30 April, we have over one full month of VAERS deaths being reported from this cohort alone. So....

One month (1/12) of 75% of 487,500 is 30,468 natural deaths in this cohort.

Next...

The 80-84 cohort is ~6.2 million. Applying the same math assumptions, we should see 29,000+ natural deaths in this cohort in one month.

If ALL deaths of vaccinated persons regardless of cause were reported in VAERS, we should be seeing a minimum of 59,000 deaths. If we add natural mortality for the 75-79 cohort, that's another 15,000 or so deaths.

Instead, VAERS is reporting only around 4,500 deaths.

CONCLUSION #1

If my math isn't wrong by an order of magnitude, then VAERS is not reporting all deaths.

CONCLUSION #2:

If the death data is wrong by an order of magnitude, the adverse events data is also suspect and could be vastly underreported.

Show me where I'm making a mistake here. I mean, yeah, I didn't double-check all the math so there might be a mistake or two, but nothing to change the conclusions.

Thoughts?

Fisky- It’s actually a good question. The VAERS website and CDC has a lot of info but I still can’t answer your questions. Nothing seems to specify that you shouldn’t report deaths that happen acutely after vaccine administration in cases of old age where the person died expectedly (statistically). Also, I couldn’t find the timeframe for ‘acutely’ when it comes to death. Other symptoms had timeframes though. So it seems a lot more deaths actually should be reported. But Harambe did not exaggerate the rules- the way they are written. You can read them:

A good overview from CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/vaccines/10-things-healthcare-providers-need-to-know-about-VAERS.pdf

Here is a general disclaimer from VAERS:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Here is a table of events health care providers have to report:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/docs/VAERS_Table_of_Reportable_Events_Following_Vaccination.pdf

VAERS FAQ

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

There is no accountability. The vaccine companies can not be sued--massive red flag. Anyone who dies from the vaccine--they will say, well, we can't prove it was the vaccine so we'll label it differently. The government, media, these vaccine companies all have in common--they can not take any responsibility. Yet we let them run the show because the majority/sheep are too inept to make their own decisions.

fisky wrote:

Some doctors are saying yes. Some are saying the vaccine will lead to mass deaths. The majority are saying it's "safe and effective." So... who do you believe? Who do you trust?.

"some are saying" ?

Who are saying?

BTW the only person who cares what Steve comes across is Alfonso. He's still waiting on that coffee, brah !

I live in the world wrote:

Guess you didn't notice the 35,000 deaths and 1,800,000 complications due to vaccines just between the US & EU? Two of my co-workers still have consistent memory loss and brain fog two months after injection. Another has serious fatigue. Shame on you.

We haven't noticed the 35,000 deaths because it's a lie. The VAERS has recorded 4,863 deaths from people who had a COVID vaccine, but note that this records any and all deaths of people who have taken the vaccine. That's not the same as saying it was caused by the vaccine. Plenty of people die after drinking coffee in the morning, but that doesn't imply a causal link. Also, some of the data is bogus (one person claimed the flu vaccine turned them invisible. No, buddy. It did not).

Harambe wrote:

sickle wrote:

Didn’t get it and didn’t transmit it to anyone. Yeah the math worked for me. Thanks.

You took the risk for me and I reaped the rewards. Thanks bro.

Yeah exactly! It's part of the American tradition to support freeloaders and the less mentally fortunate. I get 2 for 1 karma with you.

fisky wrote:

CONCLUSION #1

If my math isn't wrong by an order of magnitude, then VAERS is not reporting all deaths.

CONCLUSION #2:

If the death data is wrong by an order of magnitude, the adverse events data is also suspect and could be vastly underreported.

Show me where I'm making a mistake here. I mean, yeah, I didn't double-check all the math so there might be a mistake or two, but nothing to change the conclusions.

Thoughts?

Good point. I guess there is a time-window after which doctors will not bother reporting the event. Maybe they are unaware of the updated guidelines? In either case, the CDC is clearly closely monitoring vaccine safety hence the warnings for clotting and myocarditis off only a handful of events each.

I don't think adverse events are all going to be underreported as most serious AEs occur quite quickly after vaccination or are rare enough/associated with vaccines commonly to encourage reporting. Eg. anaphylaxis, clotting, and such. This kind of mass surveillance is challenging, but we certainly have the most data of any drug everin it's first year of approval, so that's never bad!

I'll state again that the CDC found two tiny, tiny safety signals in two separate vaccines so it seems hard to argue they are not closely monitoring safety here.

I'll add that it's entirely possible, if not probable, that updated CDC guidelines encouraged more reporting than ever before (especially when coupled with 100+ million shots!) but still did not capture all uncorrelated events because many doctors did not comply with updated rules/follow up is not done more than a few days after vaccination.

"During January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021, an estimated 545,600–660,200 more persons than expected died in the United States from all causes (Figure). The estimated number of excess deaths peaked during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, August 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021. Approximately 75%–88% of excess deaths were directly associated with COVID-19. Excluding deaths directly associated with COVID-19, an estimated 63,700–162,400 more persons than expected died from other causes."

Since then, daily COVID deaths have fallen to about 300-600 from 2500-4,000 per day.

Vaccines work.

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

I live in the world wrote:

Guess you didn't notice the 35,000 deaths and 1,800,000 complications due to vaccines just between the US & EU? Two of my co-workers still have consistent memory loss and brain fog two months after injection. Another has serious fatigue. Shame on you.

We haven't noticed the 35,000 deaths because it's a lie. The VAERS has recorded 4,863 deaths from people who had a COVID vaccine, but note that this records any and all deaths of people who have taken the vaccine. That's not the same as saying it was caused by the vaccine. Plenty of people die after drinking coffee in the morning, but that doesn't imply a causal link. Also, some of the data is bogus (one person claimed the flu vaccine turned them invisible. No, buddy. It did not).

Marvin Hagler took the vaccine, became very sick right away, and died. he was healthy before that as far as anyone knows. It is near certain the vax killed him. Vaccines do kill people. Do you deny this?

Das Unkle wrote:

Marvin Hagler took the vaccine, became very sick right away, and died. he was healthy before that as far as anyone knows. It is near certain the vax killed him. Vaccines do kill people. Do you deny this?

The cause of Hagler's death is said by his family to be of natural causes. It is far from "nearly certain" that the vaccine killed him. The only person who says it was is someone who wasn't actually there and has no medical training and no knowledge of the situation.

Yes, people have died from vaccines. There is no doubt about that and no one is claiming otherwise.

I find it freaking hilarious that the same yahoos who shouted "Did this person die OF covid or WITH covid????" to cast doubt on the death count are now absolutely certain that every death that occurs in a vaccinated person was without a doubt caused by the vaccine.