IF we found out the origin of COVID was a leak from a Chinese lab, what should be done?

Researchers found traces of covid in I think Spain in March of 2019,

We’ll never be able to determine between options A,B and C, but considering the research was funded and approved by Fauci I think we need to reconsider our own (US) research approval and funding decisionmaking and leadership processes.

And, re option C, I doubt the CCP has the competence at any level to model the release of such a pathogen in their own country to a level of confidence that would allow them to know they could do it without greater damage to their own economy than to others.

More likely responsible if leak was intentional: Russian agents.

This is a good question. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to prove it 100% anyway because it’s not like China would ever admit to it.

Something needs done tho. They should be hit extremely hard when it comes to any kind of trade deal or anything. Basically they need to PAY for it. Honestly they should be no matter what. They were ground zero of a virus that stopped the world, killed millions and just effed up everything. Then tried to hide it smh.

They should have to pay but won’t. Just not happening.

rojo wrote:

DeBron Lames wrote:

US companies should be re-locating production of out China and to Latin America. This would had the double advantage of hurting China's growth while providing solid jobs for Latin Americans, stabilizing those countries and giving them a reason to stay put, instead of trying to feel to America.

Great thread. And we have a winner. I'm not actually sure it work but like you thinking outside the box.

I would literally pay an extra $200 if i could buy an iphone not made in china. It blows my mind that all these woke apple employees don't see the hypocrisy. I preferred my old pixel phoen but my family members are all into facetime.

In my mind, the odds are well over 50% that it came from the lab.

Rojo, you probably would have to pay $3000 for that same iphone.

Apple (and everybody else) was not even able to do production in the 90ies in the US.

Now the knowledge gap is enormous. What most people don't seem to understand is , that the US can't produce anything anymore. They haven't done it for 30+ years.

A nice remaining example is the US car industry. They get assembled in the US but a lot of components are getting build in Mexico or somewhere else. Even Toyota has more manufacturing depth in the US plants than Ford or GM. And US cars are non competitive on the world market.

Scenario B is the most likely. It was an unintentional leak from the lab and China aggressively covered it up. At this point, it's impossible to know with certainty so nothing will happen.

Here's what I wrote a month ago. I've edited it to add a few facts that I omitted originally.

Scenario We're Being Told

1. Horseshoe bats living in a remote cave somehow traveled hundreds of kilometers to Wuhan.

2. That Wuhan has China's top infectious disease lab is a coincidence.

3. That this lab has known containment concerns is a coincidence.

4. That this lab is studying coronavirus in bats, most likely this species of bat, is a coincidence.

5. That Wuhan scientists published papers showing "aspects" of gain of function with coronaviruses is a coincidence. (In layman's terms, "Gain of function" means the ability to infect humans.)

6. That somehow, the virus jumped from these bats to an unknown species.

7. That this unknown species somehow first surfaced at the Wuhan wet market hundreds of kilometers from the bats' natural habitat.

8. That even though an exhaustive search for infected pangolins or other infected species was conducted for a year by Chinese scientists and not one infected animal was found, it is still the most likely cause of the virus jumping to humans.

9. That the spike protein being uniquely adapted to attach to humans versus any other creature on earth is a coincidence.

Most Likely Scenario

1. Bats were captured in remote caves and transported to China's #1 virology lab in Wuhan. We know for a fact that this was being done.

2. Since these bats were responsible for the SARS 2 outbreak, we can assume with near certainty that some of these bats were being studied in the Wuhan facility.

3. Faulty containment procedures led to one of the scientists getting infected and spreading the virus outside the facility. Again, we know for a fact that safety protocols in this lab had raised concerns in 2017 about this exact event occurring. In fact, it had even happened in the past in China's other labs.

4. We know with certainty that China is very secretive and with almost 100% certainty would fabricate a cover story to prevent international outrage had this occurred. Hence, we have the Scenario We're Being Told.

Bottom line: The case for the virus originating from the lab is so much more likely that it's laughable that we're being asked to believe the propaganda story.

What Chinese communist party tells us has zero credibility. They are liars who will do any damage control to get away with their evil deeds and intentions. All they care about is power, control, greed. The collateral damage is ignored by them.

IF we found out the origin of COVID was a leak from Fort Detrick lab, what should be done?

Mexico should be our low-wage hedge against China. Stabilize Mexico and the rest of Central America.

ricroll wrote:

We’ll never be able to determine between options A,B and C, but considering the research was funded and approved by Fauci I think we need to reconsider our own (US) research approval and funding decisionmaking and leadership processes.

You will never stop the U.S. military from funding virus research. They have they own pot of money to fund whatever they like, and they can classify to keep things quiet. In 2015 the U.S. Army had already developed lethal strains of Covid.

"Scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created achimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them."

So, the U.S. military developed a dangerous version of non-dangerous virus to see if they could do it. This is a smokescreen for making a bioweapon.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""--^' wrote:

What Chinese communist party tells us has zero credibility.

You misspelled U.S. Military.

krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:

International sanctions and ostracization for 30 years.

Collapse their economy. In the process, drop the Chinese per capita income down to North Korea levels.

End the rule of the CCP. If they get belligerent, bomb the sh#% out of them.

Remember, the US took a hit from this virus but so has all of Europe and now India. Too much carnage for there not to be repercussions.

How about the Western collectively turn their back on China and make some DI in India? Let's get India up and running.

What's the point of doing all this? In this scenario so it'll hit normal citizens who had nothing to do with it?

CopperRunner wrote:

3lonMu$k wrote:

3 scenarios for discussion:

A) The leak was unintentional and CCP govt officials actually had no idea & got blindsided

B) The leak was unintentional but is revealed to have been covered up by CCP govt officials to protect China’s image

C) The leak was intentional, planned and covered up by CCP govt officials

What should be done in each? Should countries retaliate, and it what way? Trade embargoes, military action, forceful removal of Xi, removal from UN/alliances, just writing off any outstanding debts to China as completed, etc? How is accountability measured in this type of scenario, and would it be worthwhile to pursue?

Discus

1 “shoot, that’s a bummer” and move on

2 “shoot, that’s a bummer” and move on

3 “China, you suck wang.” and move on

I think this is the correct answer. Not saying that's what should happen but I think that's what would happen.

It was no leak, it was a test run. Wake up all you woke people.

What should be done? The United States should once again learn how to make things on its own so that ties with China can be cut. However, a start would be to expel all Chinese foreign national students attending publicly funding U.S. colleges and universities. A large number of these "students" work for the CCP and/or the PLA as spies.

rojo wrote:

DeBron Lames wrote:

US companies should be re-locating production of out China and to Latin America. This would had the double advantage of hurting China's growth while providing solid jobs for Latin Americans, stabilizing those countries and giving them a reason to stay put, instead of trying to feel to America.

Great thread. And we have a winner. I'm not actually sure it work but like you thinking outside the box.

I would literally pay an extra $200 if i could buy an iphone not made in china. It blows my mind that all these woke apple employees don't see the hypocrisy. I preferred my old pixel phoen but my family members are all into facetime.

In my mind, the odds are well over 50% that it came from the lab.

It came from Bats. Lots more viruses are available.

China shouldn't be punished because they are so much better at making stuff than we are. The real problem is transporting the goods around the world, and the environmental issues around it, which is everyone's problem.

Y'all are politically naive. Instead of arguing about this administration, that administration, why don't you get up to date with planning for reductions in fossil fuels? Because this inevitability is also an essential requirement for our future.

highschoolrunnerberniesanders wrote:

Researchers found traces of covid in I think Spain in March of 2019,

It may have been around for even longer than that.

A bioweapon that kills old people with underlying health issues?

What would be the point of that?

Find a better conspiracy theory.

3lonMu$k wrote:

3 scenarios for discussion:

A) The leak was unintentional and CCP govt officials actually had no idea & got blindsided

B) The leak was unintentional but is revealed to have been covered up by CCP govt officials to protect China’s image

C) The leak was intentional, planned and covered up by CCP govt officials

What should be done in each? Should countries retaliate, and it what way? Trade embargoes, military action, forceful removal of Xi, removal from UN/alliances, just writing off any outstanding debts to China as completed, etc? How is accountability measured in this type of scenario, and would it be worthwhile to pursue?

Discus

If it came from the lab (intentional or not) that lab should be bombed and destroyed and the Chinese government held to massive sanctions. If it was an intentional release of a bioweapon the labs should be nuked and the elite Chinese leaders be captured, tried and punished for wars crimes leading to genocide. The Chinese government should be forcefully dismantled and dissolved by world governments/militaries and a new government put in place. If US officials were involved in the funding of this research they should be investigated and tried for war crimes if they are responsible at any level for what occurred.

Total economic disruption that can be capitalized on.

What if the lab was being funded by the CDC?