8 fully vaccinated NY Yankees players have covid (+14 days post vaccine)

Number of vaccinated is in the millions. I'll take 8...or hundreds or even thousands.

It's not meant to make you immune, it's not that kind of vaccine, it's only meant to reduce chance of contracting and reduce symptoms.

Alan

Nope, fully understand that. Of millions, 8 is insignificant.

However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is.

Follow the science/numbers, no?

Doesn't say anything about the vaccine. It shows that the playrs were exposed to a a heavy viral load, and they got sick. Simple as that. Vaccines don't protect you from illness, just severe illness.

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

[quote]Runningart2004 wrote:

Number of vaccinated is in the millions. I'll take 8...or hundreds or even thousands.

It's not meant to make you immune, it's not that kind of vaccine, it's only meant to reduce chance of contracting and reduce symptoms.

That's 8 on one team. Not 8 from the entire vaccinated population.

jamb inn wrote:

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

Yes.

This is a new kind of vaccine.

Where you gave to get a booster every six months and you still may get the virus.

Could a good strategy just be to reject the vaccine, embrace normal healthy activities like eating fresh fruit/veggies, hand washing, distancing, etc?

I do not feel safe with this. Its kind of akin to not buying the first model year of a car. Let the issues shake out first.

NY Yankees got the J&J vaccine, not the Pfizer or Moderna. J&J is not as effective in preventing infection as the other two.

Maybe wait to see:

(A) When exactly they were vaccinated. Its more concerning if it was 30 days ago vs 15 days ago.

(B) If some novel strain is (or is not) involved.

(C) what other tracing/exposure data reveal.

The JJ vaccine is not as effective as the mrna ones but only 1/8 had symptoms (and is now fine).

Also, 7/8 were staff not players, be interesting to know the ages.

As of May 14, 2021 at 9:40 AM EDT, the following is on the CDC vaccine FAQ page:

"How long does protection from a COVID-19 vaccine last ?"

"We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

some good commentary on this case.

worth a read

In a nutshell...only one person has symptoms. The vaccines are best thought of as stopping serious illness and death. Stopping infections is not the key measurement.

Without vaccinations, probably many more would have had the disease, and probably some much more seriously. That's the measurement to pay attention to: What would have happened with the vaccine and without the vaccine. With the vaccine a smaller number got the disease (and only one had symptoms)

https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1393191010700865541?s=20

jamb inn wrote:

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

In the US you're unlikely to get polio "lite" because the disease has been more or less eradicated.

However, if you're vaccinated against measles or other diseases that are still around, the answer is yes. If you're exposed to measles you can still carry it asymptomatically or even have a very mild illness that you'll brush off as a cold.

jamb inn wrote:

Nope, fully understand that. Of millions, 8 is insignificant.

However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is.

Follow the science/numbers, no?

It's only one player and today's game is still on the schedule. The major league roster is only 26 players. You don't seem well informed.

jamb inn wrote:

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

So how is this different? Are they actually sick? In the hospital? Or did they test positive and effectively have 'covid lite,' like Bill Maher.

If you're still questioning or trying to troll people with the concept of vaxxed people "still" getting it (today, in May 2021): you're an idiot. The vaccine was never said to be 100% effective at preventing an infection or the gaining of enough viral load to test positive.

But yeah, queue das unkle to chime in with his conspiracy theory crackpipe ideas. "Letsrun: where loser, middle-aged white guys with hot takes on things they don't like, have a safe space to exercise their compelling and conspiratory thoughts."

jamb inn wrote:

Could a good strategy just be to reject the vaccine, embrace normal healthy activities like eating fresh fruit/veggies, hand washing, distancing, etc?

I do not feel safe with this. Its kind of akin to not buying the first model year of a car. Let the issues shake out first.

or:

"I do not feel safe joining the Army to defend the nation against fascism. Its kind of akin to blindly rejecting fascism without a test of it first. Let the fascism shake out first."

I mean FFS...to quote Brooks...previous generations were drafted to storm the beaches at Normandy. You are being asked to walk into a CVS and take some medicine hundreds of millions of people have taken without material consequence. Man up.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is estimated to be about 70% effective. Meaning that if someone contracts the disease and is in close contact with 30 people (about the size of a baseball team), about 9 other people will get it. Seems like the math worked out just about as it was supposed to.

Shh! Don’t tell the CDC.

jamb inn wrote:

Nope, fully understand that. Of millions, 8 is insignificant.

However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is.

Follow the science/numbers, no?

^^^^ Fake news. only 1 player. 7 staff persons. Organization as a whole is a lotter bigger than 40 people

Ozzie wrote:

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is estimated to be about 70% effective. Meaning that if someone contracts the disease and is in close contact with 30 people (about the size of a baseball team), about 9 other people will get it. Seems like the math worked out just about as it was supposed to.

that's not how the math works.

You have to create two groups.

100 people without vaccine: How many get infected.

100 people with the vaccine: How many get infected.

From that you derive a percentage effectiveness.