Next%2 arrives tomorrow night. Goal race Saturday.

50 miles on a pair of Next%'s is nothing, you won't be losing time between those and the new ones.

I wouldn't try anything new on race day, my feet usually hurt on the first run with new Next%'s.

Just use the Next%s you already have. New ones aren't going to make a difference. Especially since you only have 50 miles on them. So unless the upper is really uncomfortable on your current pair, just run in those.

Based upon the short time between having the shoes, and then racing in them (if you do) on Saturday morning, could you please, nonetheless, report back on your findings as to whether you think there is any difference in the 'pop' between the new shoes and the older shoes that have just 50 miles in them? TIA

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

Based upon the short time between having the shoes, and then racing in them (if you do) on Saturday morning, could you please, nonetheless, report back on your findings as to whether you think there is any difference in the 'pop' between the new shoes and the older shoes that have just 50 miles in them? TIA

It’s the same show besides the upper. The uppers is a great update though. Way less pressure on the top of my foot. Overall just way more comfortable to wear for extended periods of time.

I think Jack's question was more about the midsole foam.

Its the same between v1 & v2, but do you feel like the 50mile"broken-in" foam has any less pop than the fresh v2 pair?

I personally think so. It is really hard to tell though given I was running on tapered legs, on a track etc. and also have some psychosomatic attachments to a shoe being "new".

I will say as a 185-190 pound person I tend to beat the hell out of shoes.

How was the race ya shoe junkie?

The race itself was a disaster. But for reasons different than normal (see below Strava link for more info). That said... still happy with the cycle. Goal was the HM which sucked but bagged a big 5k PR last week and generally made a big leap in fitness. Looking forward to getting going again and focusing more on the 5k. Sub 15 here we come!

https://www.strava.com/activities/5299057146

highhoppingworm wrote:

https://www.strava.com/activities/5299057146

What's up with your GPS watch? Looks like you oscillated between sub-5 and mid-6 pace. Was the coyote chasing that hard?

Weird. Didn't notice that. Definitely not the coyote given it was the first mile too and the coyote interaction was pretty much just on the home stretch. I used Garmin Track Mode so not sure if that had something to do with it. In general my pace is always a bit spikey but nothing as crazy as this activity.

ViperDom wrote:

I think Jack's question was more about the midsole foam.

Its the same between v1 & v2, but do you feel like the 50mile"broken-in" foam has any less pop than the fresh v2 pair?

That was indeed my question. If I understand hhw, he is saying that he indeed notices a difference, but it may be "psychosomatic"?

You're pretty fast for a bigger dude.

Sorry, but the idea of this is hilarious. I know at the time it surely sucked, but from an outsiders perspective it's a very funny scene to envision. I'm glad you got your 5k PR, so at least there's that.

Oh ya. It was totally ridiculous. Some full grown man running around a track shirtless at 3AM in the morning while growling and screaming at a coyote that is hopping around on all 4s trying to play. I went crown hunting the next morning and saw the little jerk again. Here are some pictures.

https://www.strava.com/activities/5304631180

Calculator, the midsole/bounce etc. isn't different. Sorry for being confusing in my answer. Like I said before though... really liked the upper.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Calculator, the midsole/bounce etc. isn't different. Sorry for being confusing in my answer. Like I said before though... really liked the upper.

Okay, thanks. I was wondering how big is the 'loss in pop' that some claim after 100 miles, and whether you would even see some loss after 50 miles; and if noticeable, is it a big enough loss to notice by just comparing between the two versions when walking and jogging-in-place on a hard surface. Seems your impression (even being hard on shoes) is there appears to be no loss after 50 miles; this is good to know. Thanks.

I am a really crappy writer. I really am sorry.

1) The difference between the Next%2 and the Next% is JUST the upper. It seems like it is just a comfort thing. No difference in bounce etc.

2) I DO feel a loss of bounce at about 40-50 miles in the next% 2. I am a pre-madonna but the way I wear them are...

1-40 miles = Target races... top rack

40-80 miles = Secondary races and target workouts

80-200 miles = Long run workouts

I tend to get holes after that point. This is my 4th or 5th pair and this is what I have landed on.

I'm just trying to understand, but I'm still a bit confused here...

highhoppingworm wrote:

1) The difference between the Next%2 and the Next% is JUST the upper. It seems like it is just a comfort thing. No difference in bounce etc.

2) I DO feel a loss of bounce at about 40-50 miles in the next% 2. I am a pre-madonna but the way I wear them are...

You already have 40-50 miles in your next% version 2?

First, we were wondering, right-out-of-the-box, did the new pair of next% version 2 feel like it had more pop than the older next% version 1 that had 50 miles on it.

I'm not sure you answered that question, but are now clarifying that the next% version 2 loses pop after 50 miles (compared to what if felt like when you first got them(?)).

Based on your timeline of shoe use, I presume then that whether version 1 or version 2, they both have a noticeable loss of pop by 50 miles?

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

Based on your timeline of shoe use, I presume then that whether version 1 or version 2, they both have a noticeable loss of pop by 50 miles?

Ughhh, I guess it is hitting home that this is reality. Afterall, you have (even lost count) already 4 or 5 pair. That is well over $1000 in shoes. Seems DeMoor has a similar cache, but at least he has a pipeline, being an 'influencer' on youtube.

Getting to be an expensive 'hobby', yet?

No. I have 6 miles on the next%2. I am just assuming that they will follow the same timeline as the original given it is pretty much the exact same shoe.