2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
This might just be the best explanation and only reasonable justification.
LFH man... you’ve really lost it. Kinda sad to see.
“No masks, no vaccines, no deaths, no risk, no nothing!”
People would take you a little seriously if you didn’t just slowly convert to contrarian on every. single. point. surrounding COVID over past 6 months.
People take him seriously.
People know that you, with your various handles, are a "murderous" fearmonger.
sjryjd wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
LFH man... you’ve really lost it. Kinda sad to see.
“No masks, no vaccines, no deaths, no risk, no nothing!”
People would take you a little seriously if you didn’t just slowly convert to contrarian on every. single. point. surrounding COVID over past 6 months.
People take him seriously.
People know that you, with your various handles, are a "murderous" fearmonger.
People are done with the lies. Fear, power and money have been a bad mix contorting reality for the past year. I am not contrarian, I am for doing what makes sense, logically and scientifically, not politically.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Of course they "approve" nominally but they let outside voices in every now and then. Remember... Tom Cotton had an NYT Op-Ed this past summer. I know it's easier to just write things off prima facie rather than think critically but I am extending a proverbial olive branch here...
Are you serious? You can't be this dumb. No they don't, and people were fired over allowing the Cotton Op-Ed, so so much for that arguments. Bullocks.
Did you read the article?
You're extremely transparent. It's always a pleasure :)
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
sjryjd wrote:
People take him seriously.
People know that you, with your various handles, are a "murderous" fearmonger.
People are done with the lies. Fear, power and money have been a bad mix contorting reality for the past year. I am not contrarian, I am for doing what makes sense, logically and scientifically, not politically.
You did your best to keep it going... but the vaccines have crushed COVID in the US. Hopefully you can get your contrarian fix with the next global crisis! Maybe 2022 election? I'll keep you in mind.
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
People are done with the lies. Fear, power and money have been a bad mix contorting reality for the past year. I am not contrarian, I am for doing what makes sense, logically and scientifically, not politically.
You did your best to keep it going... but the vaccines have crushed COVID in the US. Hopefully you can get your contrarian fix with the next global crisis! Maybe 2022 election? I'll keep you in mind.
You are correct, vaccines crushed covid and we should put it past us and end all remaining mandates and closures. Nothing else we did achieved much of anything good. We should have just went along like normal pushing for a vaccine. Now that those who need it have it we can move on. There is no need to vaccinate the kids for or people who do not want to be forced into it as long as those who need it have it. It seems like we are in agreement here.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You are correct, vaccines crushed covid and we should put it past us and end all remaining mandates and closures. Nothing else we did achieved much of anything good. We should have just went along like normal pushing for a vaccine. Now that those who need it have it we can move on. There is no need to vaccinate the kids for or people who do not want to be forced into it as long as those who need it have it. It seems like we are in agreement here.
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I am not going to argue about whether mitigations worked or not... since you refuse to accept positive examples.
So let's just focus on looking forward! Load up on biopharma stocks and bask in our brave new world!
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You are correct, vaccines crushed covid and we should put it past us and end all remaining mandates and closures. Nothing else we did achieved much of anything good. We should have just went along like normal pushing for a vaccine. Now that those who need it have it we can move on. There is no need to vaccinate the kids for or people who do not want to be forced into it as long as those who need it have it. It seems like we are in agreement here.
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I am not going to argue about whether mitigations worked or not... since you refuse to accept positive examples.
So let's just focus on looking forward! Load up on biopharma stocks and bask in our brave new world!
Nope, no need for anything new rules. Biopharma stocks are a sure way to lose a lot of money, but at least we know what you have been up to this year. Shilling to make a buck at all costs. Good job buddy.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I am not going to argue about whether mitigations worked or not... since you refuse to accept positive examples.
So let's just focus on looking forward! Load up on biopharma stocks and bask in our brave new world!
Nope, no need for anything new rules. Biopharma stocks are a sure way to lose a lot of money, but at least we know what you have been up to this year. Shilling to make a buck at all costs. Good job buddy.
Seems unfair to force doctors and nurses to continue dealing with COVID patients who refuse vaccination, if we are no longer going to attempt to mitigate surges in cases. But I get that your type just wants to force people to work so you can enjoy your freedom :)
Biopharma is probably the third most impactful/successful industry of the past 100 years (behind semiconductor and AgTech). Remind me not to take investment advice from you!
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You are correct, vaccines crushed covid and we should put it past us and end all remaining mandates and closures. Nothing else we did achieved much of anything good. We should have just went along like normal pushing for a vaccine. Now that those who need it have it we can move on. There is no need to vaccinate the kids for or people who do not want to be forced into it as long as those who need it have it. It seems like we are in agreement here.
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I am not going to argue about whether mitigations worked or not... since you refuse to accept positive examples.
So let's just focus on looking forward! Load up on biopharma stocks and bask in our brave new world!
Everyone should read this post above as these things are readily clear now:
(1) You think kids deserve to die of covid if they do not get the vaccine
(2) You have been fearmongering and scientific BSing all year in an weak effort to boost your stock in Pfizer, Moderna and the Abboot Labs
(3) "positive examples" seems to be your proof over real data related to most debates you engage in. Things like " I see painters wearing mask all of the time therefore it is healthy to wear them all day every day". This is not evidence. I know "Japan" was one of your shining examples, but in reality all of the "positive examples" of nations you sited we not only islands but were also much LESS restrictive on their populations that most of the rest of the world. Japan had one of the lowest average stringency indices amongst developed nations. SO, we also know you willfully lie about your own "examples
The Bro2600/Harambe are liars just trying to make a buck off of death in America, sort of like CNN and the NYT. Good job guys.
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You are correct, vaccines crushed covid and we should put it past us and end all remaining mandates and closures. Nothing else we did achieved much of anything good. We should have just went along like normal pushing for a vaccine. Now that those who need it have it we can move on. There is no need to vaccinate the kids for or people who do not want to be forced into it as long as those who need it have it. It seems like we are in agreement here.
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I would like to see you trying to stop me or one of my family members from getting COVID emergency care.
In that hypothetical scenario it might be hypothetical you who might end up needing hypothetical emergency care.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I am not going to argue about whether mitigations worked or not... since you refuse to accept positive examples.
So let's just focus on looking forward! Load up on biopharma stocks and bask in our brave new world!
Everyone should read this post above as these things are readily clear now:
(1) You think kids deserve to die of covid if they do not get the vaccine
(2) You have been fearmongering and scientific BSing all year in an weak effort to boost your stock in Pfizer, Moderna and the Abboot Labs
(3) "positive examples" seems to be your proof over real data related to most debates you engage in. Things like " I see painters wearing mask all of the time therefore it is healthy to wear them all day every day". This is not evidence. I know "Japan" was one of your shining examples, but in reality all of the "positive examples" of nations you sited we not only islands but were also much LESS restrictive on their populations that most of the rest of the world. Japan had one of the lowest average stringency indices amongst developed nations. SO, we also know you willfully lie about your own "examples
The Bro2600/Harambe are liars just trying to make a buck off of death in America, sort of like CNN and the NYT. Good job guys.
LMAO
1) Obviously kids don't have autonomy and wouldn't be punished for refusing.
2) I don't hold any stock (aside from index funds) in any of those companies, I just am a technooptimist!
3) You fundamentally misunderstand observational data - it's been a pattern this whole time. In this case, we have segments of the population that been wearing masks for years and there is no evidence of long term health issue. This is not anecdotal nor am I making casual claims. It is merely evidence against your hypothesis that masking for long periods if bad for your general health!
Japan is great example! They rolled out testing super early, had aggressive contact tracing, and good messaging about high-risk activities (crowded, indoor spaces - avoid at all costs). This allowed them to prevent the initial surge and the imposition of strict lockdown measures! The US could have dont this if we didn't sit around performing a few thousand tests in the entire month of Feb 2020! But... at least you admit some places did very well at mitigating the spread!
Moving on... your continual assertion that no mitigation strategies worked in the US requires you to explain why we had distinct surges in US cases over time. What was changing that caused the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. What caused the cases to drop in May 20, September 20 and March 21 only to rise again the next month? Florida, Texas, South Dakota, California... they all show increases and decreases. Surely you don't think those patterns are "unmitigated viral spread?"
sjryjd wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yes as long as you agree that refusing the vaccination makes you ineligible for COVID emergency care!
I would like to see you trying to stop me or one of my family members from getting COVID emergency care.
In that hypothetical scenario it might be hypothetical you who might end up needing hypothetical emergency care.
If you're that scared of not receiving emergency care for COVID why not just get vaccinated to erase that fear? You guys don't make a lot of sense...
2600 bro wrote:
sjryjd wrote:
I would like to see you trying to stop me or one of my family members from getting COVID emergency care.
In that hypothetical scenario it might be hypothetical you who might end up needing hypothetical emergency care.
If you're that scared of not receiving emergency care for COVID why not just get vaccinated to erase that fear? You guys don't make a lot of sense...
Do you know if I have been vaccinated, you stupid moron?
It is you who has been living in fear for a year. And spreading it. You should be rotting in prison for the deaths you potentially helped cause.
In all seriousness, just wait a little while. You know from us here in the UK and from Israel that the numbers absolutely plummet .
We had 0 corona deaths the other day. 0. And we've still got the 30s and under left to vaccinate.
You guys are on the right track with vaccines, and still ahead of most of the world. Just be patient for a little while more, get those numbers of vaccinated down the the 40s , and then you'll be able to open up like us.
The end is in sight - stay strong over there.
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Everyone should read this post above as these things are readily clear now:
(1) You think kids deserve to die of covid if they do not get the vaccine
(2) You have been fearmongering and scientific BSing all year in an weak effort to boost your stock in Pfizer, Moderna and the Abboot Labs
(3) "positive examples" seems to be your proof over real data related to most debates you engage in. Things like " I see painters wearing mask all of the time therefore it is healthy to wear them all day every day". This is not evidence. I know "Japan" was one of your shining examples, but in reality all of the "positive examples" of nations you sited we not only islands but were also much LESS restrictive on their populations that most of the rest of the world. Japan had one of the lowest average stringency indices amongst developed nations. SO, we also know you willfully lie about your own "examples
The Bro2600/Harambe are liars just trying to make a buck off of death in America, sort of like CNN and the NYT. Good job guys.
LMAO
1) Obviously kids don't have autonomy and wouldn't be punished for refusing.
2) I don't hold any stock (aside from index funds) in any of those companies, I just am a technooptimist!
3) You fundamentally misunderstand observational data - it's been a pattern this whole time. In this case, we have segments of the population that been wearing masks for years and there is no evidence of long term health issue. This is not anecdotal nor am I making casual claims. It is merely evidence against your hypothesis that masking for long periods if bad for your general health!
Japan is great example! They rolled out testing super early, had aggressive contact tracing, and good messaging about high-risk activities (crowded, indoor spaces - avoid at all costs). This allowed them to prevent the initial surge and the imposition of strict lockdown measures! The US could have dont this if we didn't sit around performing a few thousand tests in the entire month of Feb 2020! But... at least you admit some places did very well at mitigating the spread!
Moving on... your continual assertion that no mitigation strategies worked in the US requires you to explain why we had distinct surges in US cases over time. What was changing that caused the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. What caused the cases to drop in May 20, September 20 and March 21 only to rise again the next month? Florida, Texas, South Dakota, California... they all show increases and decreases. Surely you don't think those patterns are "unmitigated viral spread?"
It is 100% anecdotal. All of your "evidence" is opinion based on broad undocumented observational data or slanted opinions of an actual loosely related study. Wearing masks all day long, the same mask for days or weeks all day long is a health hazard; that is also just common sense, but at least there are some studies out there showing it. The only way it can be remotely healthy is if people constantly are changing their mask every few hours....something poor workers are not doing and can't afford to do. Do I need to show a study to prove to you that poor workers are not changing their masks?
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Everyone should read this post above as these things are readily clear now:
(1) You think kids deserve to die of covid if they do not get the vaccine
(2) You have been fearmongering and scientific BSing all year in an weak effort to boost your stock in Pfizer, Moderna and the Abboot Labs
(3) "positive examples" seems to be your proof over real data related to most debates you engage in. Things like " I see painters wearing mask all of the time therefore it is healthy to wear them all day every day". This is not evidence. I know "Japan" was one of your shining examples, but in reality all of the "positive examples" of nations you sited we not only islands but were also much LESS restrictive on their populations that most of the rest of the world. Japan had one of the lowest average stringency indices amongst developed nations. SO, we also know you willfully lie about your own "examples
The Bro2600/Harambe are liars just trying to make a buck off of death in America, sort of like CNN and the NYT. Good job guys.
LMAO
1) Obviously kids don't have autonomy and wouldn't be punished for refusing.
2) I don't hold any stock (aside from index funds) in any of those companies, I just am a technooptimist!
3) You fundamentally misunderstand observational data - it's been a pattern this whole time. In this case, we have segments of the population that been wearing masks for years and there is no evidence of long term health issue. This is not anecdotal nor am I making casual claims. It is merely evidence against your hypothesis that masking for long periods if bad for your general health!
Japan is great example! They rolled out testing super early, had aggressive contact tracing, and good messaging about high-risk activities (crowded, indoor spaces - avoid at all costs). This allowed them to prevent the initial surge and the imposition of strict lockdown measures! The US could have dont this if we didn't sit around performing a few thousand tests in the entire month of Feb 2020! But... at least you admit some places did very well at mitigating the spread!
Moving on... your continual assertion that no mitigation strategies worked in the US requires you to explain why we had distinct surges in US cases over time. What was changing that caused the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. What caused the cases to drop in May 20, September 20 and March 21 only to rise again the next month? Florida, Texas, South Dakota, California... they all show increases and decreases. Surely you don't think those patterns are "unmitigated viral spread?"
The weather you idiot, all of the "surges" were tied to weather shifts pushing people indoors to turn on air circulating systems; AC in the hot southern summer and heat in the winter. Please, you can't be this naive. The first surge may have even been worsened by people like you scaring everyone to stay home inside rather than getting fresh air outdoors. Such a lying shill dude, that is all you are; not even decent "analysis" that you so typically claim.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
LMAO
1) Obviously kids don't have autonomy and wouldn't be punished for refusing.
2) I don't hold any stock (aside from index funds) in any of those companies, I just am a technooptimist!
3) You fundamentally misunderstand observational data - it's been a pattern this whole time. In this case, we have segments of the population that been wearing masks for years and there is no evidence of long term health issue. This is not anecdotal nor am I making casual claims. It is merely evidence against your hypothesis that masking for long periods if bad for your general health!
Japan is great example! They rolled out testing super early, had aggressive contact tracing, and good messaging about high-risk activities (crowded, indoor spaces - avoid at all costs). This allowed them to prevent the initial surge and the imposition of strict lockdown measures! The US could have dont this if we didn't sit around performing a few thousand tests in the entire month of Feb 2020! But... at least you admit some places did very well at mitigating the spread!
Moving on... your continual assertion that no mitigation strategies worked in the US requires you to explain why we had distinct surges in US cases over time. What was changing that caused the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. What caused the cases to drop in May 20, September 20 and March 21 only to rise again the next month? Florida, Texas, South Dakota, California... they all show increases and decreases. Surely you don't think those patterns are "unmitigated viral spread?"
The weather you idiot, all of the "surges" were tied to weather shifts pushing people indoors to turn on air circulating systems; AC in the hot southern summer and heat in the winter. Please, you can't be this naive. The first surge may have even been worsened by people like you scaring everyone to stay home inside rather than getting fresh air outdoors. Such a lying shill dude, that is all you are; not even decent "analysis" that you so typically claim.
Yes that explains the July and October and March surge in Florida, Alaska, Washington, AND Arizona. Weather!! Genius!
Either way... by claiming weather forced people to gather inside with AC you are agreeing that the halting or large indoor gathering had an effect in the US! This is a big step for you!!
sjryjd wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
If you're that scared of not receiving emergency care for COVID why not just get vaccinated to erase that fear? You guys don't make a lot of sense...
Do you know if I have been vaccinated, you stupid moron?
It is you who has been living in fear for a year. And spreading it. You should be rotting in prison for the deaths you potentially helped cause.
Take a deep breath and reread the conversation. I think you missed something :)
If you’ve been vaccinated then you won’t be denied emergency care! Don’t panic! We got this!
Also idk what country you’re from but in the US people don’t rot in prison for “potentially helping causing” something. Please refer to the 100 Chauvin threads to understand “beyond a reasonable doubt....” Ok. Sorry. Sometimes it’s just too easy.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
LMAO
1) Obviously kids don't have autonomy and wouldn't be punished for refusing.
2) I don't hold any stock (aside from index funds) in any of those companies, I just am a technooptimist!
3) You fundamentally misunderstand observational data - it's been a pattern this whole time. In this case, we have segments of the population that been wearing masks for years and there is no evidence of long term health issue. This is not anecdotal nor am I making casual claims. It is merely evidence against your hypothesis that masking for long periods if bad for your general health!
Japan is great example! They rolled out testing super early, had aggressive contact tracing, and good messaging about high-risk activities (crowded, indoor spaces - avoid at all costs). This allowed them to prevent the initial surge and the imposition of strict lockdown measures! The US could have dont this if we didn't sit around performing a few thousand tests in the entire month of Feb 2020! But... at least you admit some places did very well at mitigating the spread!
Moving on... your continual assertion that no mitigation strategies worked in the US requires you to explain why we had distinct surges in US cases over time. What was changing that caused the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. What caused the cases to drop in May 20, September 20 and March 21 only to rise again the next month? Florida, Texas, South Dakota, California... they all show increases and decreases. Surely you don't think those patterns are "unmitigated viral spread?"
The weather you idiot, all of the "surges" were tied to weather shifts pushing people indoors to turn on air circulating systems; AC in the hot southern summer and heat in the winter. Please, you can't be this naive. The first surge may have even been worsened by people like you scaring everyone to stay home inside rather than getting fresh air outdoors. Such a lying shill dude, that is all you are; not even decent "analysis" that you so typically claim.
Every year each year, illnesses spike for this same very reason....not because people celebrated Thanksgiving.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
The weather you idiot, all of the "surges" were tied to weather shifts pushing people indoors to turn on air circulating systems; AC in the hot southern summer and heat in the winter. Please, you can't be this naive. The first surge may have even been worsened by people like you scaring everyone to stay home inside rather than getting fresh air outdoors. Such a lying shill dude, that is all you are; not even decent "analysis" that you so typically claim.
Every year each year, illnesses spike for this same very reason....not because people celebrated Thanksgiving.
Yes respiratory viruses usually have peak infection rates in July, December, AND March...
Are you going to claim Israel's and Jordan's spikes are purely seasonality too?
https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1389172672492232707I understand that admitting behavior played a role in viral dynamics in the US undermines your entire model but... you need to engage with reality here.
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