So let me get this straight about the vaccine

Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

Another looney post from you. Some of you vaccine hustlers/Covid crazies always bring up the WW2 analogy which is so stupid and shows the public school system isn't educating kids properly about U.S. history. #1)There was a DRAFT in WW2 - young men were drafted to fight...no choice there. #2) There was a real threat from Imperial Japan of invading and conquering the U.S. - everyone's life was in danger.

Not to turn this into a history thread but this is obviously false. There is no way Japan could move enough troops across the ocean safely to CONQUER the USA.

Also this post suggests that if the USA were to mandate the vaccine like a "draft" that would be OK? Interesting...

Daydreaming wrote:

It was the same with Polio, Measles, Diphtheria, etc. The diseases can be life-altering (you should google Polio) and you only need to get it once.

Not the same.

1) There's not such a thing like coronavirus vaccine, every try failed so far

2) Those Covid "vaccines" are experimental and approved only for emergency use. Not backed up by full trial data.

3) You'll need "vaccine" booster every six months

4) No one knows long term effects of those "vaccines" especially mRNA ones

5) mRNA tech was never approved for human use until today

There are two 95% effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19!

A complete phase 3 trial read out for both.

Boosters may be needed, especially if more mutations happen in reservoirs of unvaccinated people

There is already evidence of long term effects of SARS-CoV-2 itself! None for the vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been used in small trials for ~10 years already

That was easy! I've been told I'm not allowed to call fearmongers "dumb" anymore but.... ;)

Daydreaming wrote:

Covid "vaccines" doesn't prevent you from from being infected or spreading the infection. They only relieve symptoms. The whole "vaccinate yourself to help the others" thing is big pharma propaganda bs.

This is factually incorrect.

This article is trash. CDC is colluted with Big Pharma.

wackcine wrote:

People who have avoided getting COVID for more than a year are willingly injecting themselves with chemicals, causing them to get sick from the side effects, in order to avoid getting a sickness they have avoided since March 2020? Do I have that right?

I worked around COVID for almost a year and didn't get sick. I got both Pfizer COVID shots 4-5 months ago and didn't get sick. And I moved on with life.

I don't see what the big deal is. The fear mostly in people imagination.

Daydreaming wrote:

This article is trash. CDC is colluted with Big Pharma.

So the CDC is lying about the effectiveness of vaccines.... to prolong COVID and make more Americans die?

And this is after they exaggerated the danger of COVID (according to the deniers)?

According to you all, at this point the CDC isn't even a villain. They are an omnipotent deity that perfectly chooses the -worst- solution to every problem.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Truth is Here. wrote:

Oh yeah, I'm a PHARMA SHILL. I just love me some Big Phama. Just a pathetic response. No sense of civic responsibility whatsoever. "I don't give a sh*t if I infect vulnerable people! Move to China if you don't like it, fearmongerer!"

If we dropped you back in time to 1942, you'd be claiming that you shouldn't have to fight because this is a "free" country and and besides, Hitler might have a point.

Civic responsibility? You mean like I see on my commute?

1942? When the whole world was at risk, not just old people with COPD?

Therein lies the problem. If SARS-Cov2 had a kill rate of 3% or 5% or maimed a huge percentage of the younger population, selling the emergency use authorization vaccines wouldn’t be that big of a deal. It’s a much more uphill battle when the average age of death is 81 &/or victims have significant comorbidity like diabetes, COPD, heart disease, or primary immunodeficiency.

Never before in contemporary history have we been so preoccupied with “variants of concern” or the durability of antibody response beyond one booster, like tetanus for example.

I suppose the fears of creating a super variant by not getting vaccinated are not without some merit, but the same can be said by annual vaccination campaigns like the flu with regard to Covid. Most scientists and reasonable people believe this virus will mutate its way toward less, not more, virulence over time.

I am not a fan of a vaccine which programs the body to merely see one very antigenic protein, which, theoretically, evolves a T-cell response to said protein but not to a virus. That is a recipe for a really bad mutant.

I know multiple people who have had this virus and I have three direct family members who’ve had a bad patch with it. All of them are fine, all about 50, and all overweight, boozers, smokers, nonexercizers. My 84-year old mother got the vaccine, no problem, but she’s always been “bulletproof.” My 81-year old aunt, who already had rheumatoid arthritis and diverticulitis, got the vaccines, and they’ve made her markedly worse. I would describe her life as a “living hell.” So, taking the vaccine is not the right answer for everyone. It’s just not.

Good post

I know several people who contracted COVID-19 and they all were very sick for 7-10 days and said it was the worst “flu” they’ve ever had. One person still cannot taste food and it’s been 8 months. I got the vaccine not to be altruistic, but because I’d rather have side effects from the vaccine for two days then be miserable for 10 days. If you look at South America, I think it’s possible that COVID might flare up again here in the US, and I’m hopeful the vaccine will provide some protection.

You're too intelligent for this thread.

You can also look at locations with a high percentage of vaccination with the mRNA vaccines. That would be certain states in the United States, Great Britain, and Israel. You find that with your vaccination rate over 50% cases fall.

The question is, is there any way you could accept information that indicated that the mRNA vaccines work as described? Is there a model for such a process?

It honestly looks like any evidence that contradicts your beliefs will be dismissed as being the result of a conspiracy.

Don’t be such a puzzy. Get the damn shot, Alice.

Covidiocy wrote:

I am not a fan of a vaccine which programs the body to merely see one very antigenic protein, which, theoretically, evolves a T-cell response to said protein but not to a virus. That is a recipe for a really bad mutant.

I know multiple people who have had this virus and I have three direct family members who’ve had a bad patch with it. All of them are fine, all about 50, and all overweight, boozers, smokers, nonexercizers. My 84-year old mother got the vaccine, no problem, but she’s always been “bulletproof.” My 81-year old aunt, who already had rheumatoid arthritis and diverticulitis, got the vaccines, and they’ve made her markedly worse. I would describe her life as a “living hell.” So, taking the vaccine is not the right answer for everyone. It’s just not.

Go take Sinovac? Ask the Chileans how that is working for them?

Most of the antibodies and >50% of the T-cell responses from recovered individuals are directed against the Spike protein for recovered individuals. The spike protein is without a doubt, an excellent vaccination target. Real world data shows its effectiveness over whole inactivated virus.

Side note: the work done to stabilize the spike protein the pre-fusion conformation is among the most valuable done to get effective vaccines and is sorely unrecognized. Potent antibody responses were not generated until this was solved. I remember seeing that this work was rejected 5 times before it was finally published. Not 'cool' enough for the biggest journals despite tons of effort.

Truly basic science stuff on MERS virus long after the hype around it had waned.

wackcine wrote:

People who have avoided getting COVID for more than a year are willingly injecting themselves with chemicals, causing them to get sick from the side effects, in order to avoid getting a sickness they have avoided since March 2020? Do I have that right?

No, but then you already knew that. I have had the vaccine with zero side effects, not even injection site soreness.

Except that number of variants is a function of person-days infected. To reduce that number, you need to increase immunity. The most effective way to increase immunity is via the mRNA vaccines.

Someone is going to argue that the most effective way to increase immunity is via infection:

A) vaccines yield higher immunity than infection

B) infection increases the number of person-days infected around the world

Sorry, when I said vaccines yield immunity than infections, I meant mRNA vaccines specifically

"Covidiocy" is still pushing unsubstantiated ideas that mRNA vaccines are somehow inferior when we have seen data on robust antibody and T-cell responses in vaccinated individuals AND real world data of the superiority of mRNA vaccines over inactivity viral vaccines.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why someone would be so stubborn about a minor point.