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Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Cali Kali wrote:
Certain businesses were always going to hit - airlines, hotels, resorts, bars, restaurants etc even without guidelines and restrictions.
A few months of home schooling has not destroyed education, that’s an hysterical over reaction.
A few months? You means 14 months and counting? Large fractions of inner city children have attended school at all in over a year. Nobody is learning online. You must be really detached from reality to think it is ok and working.
Where exactly have schools been closed for 14 months straight?
Certainly not where I live. I accept it’s not ideal but the kids will bounce back.
Jenner for Gov wrote:
Strong yes. I've never seen a hysteria like this in my life, and pray I never will again.
Denial is the first phase of grief. We've all missed things. But you've had a year. Time to grow up.
responder wrote:
Absolutely yes.
The lockdowns, loss of jobs, suicides, mental health issues, kids missing out on education, families being torn apart. Not worth it for a virus with a 99.5% recovery rate.
Please divide 590,000 into the number of Americans who contracted COVID. Thank you.
Harambe should jump on the gravy train (if he hasn't already):
"Almost $250 million will go toward hiring 'community outreach workers' to help get people vaccinated, more than $130 million will go toward vaccine education and information, and nearly $250 million will go to state outreach efforts, the White House said. "
Cali Kali wrote:
Where exactly have schools been closed for 14 months straight?
Certainly not where I live. I accept it’s not ideal but the kids will bounce back.
The denier-fearmonger tactic is now to exaggerate insane hypotheticals to support their hysteria.
They have taken this farther than the "2 million dead" predictions at the start of the pandemic (which weren't that crazy it turns out!).
They became what they sought to destroy. Ironic.
Precious Roy wrote:
A callosal failure by governments to take the outbreak seriously from the very beginning. Everyone in the infectious diseases community knew that something like this was coming. We were very lucky that SARS and MERS were relatively easy to contain and eliminate. But the risk of an airborne virus causing a global pandemic has been known for decades. There have even been books and movies about exactly the kind of pandemic we are in.
From the very beginning, it was clear that an elimination strategy was going to be the only way to stop a pandemic. Australia, NZ, and East Asia adopted the elimination strategy and saved millions from sickness and hundreds of thousands from death. In the US and the EU, an elimination strategy was a non-starter because neither were prepared for the kind of measures necessary to eliminate a highly contagious infectious disease. Any sort of public health infrastructure aimed at fighting a pandemic was completely underfunded and unprepared. Instead, a containment strategy was employed to try to ride out the virus in the hopes that a vaccine would save the day. The containment strategy failed regardless of how strict lockdowns were. Re-opening was always too soon and reactions to surges in cases were always too late.
It was a colossal failure by governments and official to listen to lying hand-waving idiotic pseudo-experts like yourself. Nothing done saved anything except the virtuous ideation of narcissicists willing to kill and destroy anyone to gain power, money, and ensure they felt like they were doing a good thing without remorse. There was never true substantiated evidence to support much of anything we did other than close borders and work on a vaccine. All other "mitigation efforts", while futile, should have been focused on things we could do without shutting businesses down, shuttering schools, and terrifying unhealthy people away from the health care system (a fact that most surely has and will lead to significant death in these populations.....all counted as assumed covid as the primary cause of death of course). It amazes me that you idiots who have been demanding this nonsense all year while sitting at home in your rich-person bubble while people die and lives collapse and children get left behind think that you are doing the right thing and that you had no hand in the destruction of millions upon millions of lives, many of then poor people. You and people like yourself have achieved nothing other than destruction. The response in 2020 is a disgrace to this nation and humanity and those of wealth who safely and quietly sat in their homes while this was perpetuated on the children and the poor in the name of self-virtue do not deserve the wealth society has afforded them.
Alexi Q. Santana wrote:
responder wrote:
Absolutely yes.
The lockdowns, loss of jobs, suicides, mental health issues, kids missing out on education, families being torn apart. Not worth it for a virus with a 99.5% recovery rate.
Please divide 590,000 into the number of Americans who contracted COVID. Thank you.
Then divide by about 10, which is basically how they estimate the death rate to the flu each year.
Yes, but hind sight is easy, right?
Population growth and life expectancy were pretty much unaffected in the US last year. So I would say yes.
Alexi Q. Santana wrote:
responder wrote:
Absolutely yes.
The lockdowns, loss of jobs, suicides, mental health issues, kids missing out on education, families being torn apart. Not worth it for a virus with a 99.5% recovery rate.
Please divide 590,000 into the number of Americans who contracted COVID. Thank you.
Funny how these numbers keep increasing unabated, in line with pre "pandemic" projections.
The current population of World in 2021 is 7,874,965,825, a 1.03% increase from 2020.
The population of World in 2020 was 7,794,798,739, a 1.05% increase from 2019.
The population of World in 2019 was 7,713,468,100, a 1.08% increase from 2018.
To answer OP, yes. 100 years from now, people will laugh at our over reaction. If there is a real pandemic (imagine if something like ebola was spread worldwide to millions) then people will realize how tame covid truly was and what a joke all these restrictions were. We need to live our lives and not stay in fear. And for those who way, what about grandma or dont be selfish--the government doesn't actually care about your health and at the end of the day everyone is out for themselves anyways.
Harambe wrote:
Cali Kali wrote:
Where exactly have schools been closed for 14 months straight?
Certainly not where I live. I accept it’s not ideal but the kids will bounce back.
The denier-fearmonger tactic is now to exaggerate insane hypotheticals to support their hysteria.
They have taken this farther than the "2 million dead" predictions at the start of the pandemic (which weren't that crazy it turns out!).
They became what they sought to destroy. Ironic.
What insane hypotheticals? I am curious? You are the only one still demanding that all of these efforts were successful and pushing the vaccines at every corner, all based on hypotheticals and not reality. Everyone else is just saying enough, we were doing much before with the mitigation other than ruining peoples lives, and we need to stop and go back to normal. If the "hypothetical" in your mind of "let's get back to normal and everything will be fine" is insane then I think you mine just have to look into the mirror for the definition of insane.
That's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Over 590,000 people have died already from COVID in the U.S. and 3.2 million worldwide.
joed|rt wrote:
Population growth and life expectancy were pretty much unaffected in the US last year. So I would say yes.
You're kidding right? Last year saw the biggest decline in population growth since 1920.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Harambe wrote:
500k excess deaths. One could argue the mitigation efforts were not perfect, but they definitely were not the biggest overreaction in history.
The hysteria from the COVID denier-fearmongers already a bigger overreaction!
Dude, you are the only fear mongerer here. Questioning the hyper overreaction by people like you is not fear mongering or an overreaction. If the reaction destroyed the livelihoods of millions and the education of most children in the country while doing almost nothing to stop the 500,000 excess deaths that you claim, then it might have been a major overreaction. It was a major overreaction, one that possibly killed more than it even saved.
Complete falsehoods.
Alexi Q. Santana wrote:
responder wrote:
Absolutely yes.
The lockdowns, loss of jobs, suicides, mental health issues, kids missing out on education, families being torn apart. Not worth it for a virus with a 99.5% recovery rate.
Please divide 590,000 into the number of Americans who contracted COVID. Thank you.
LOL, that number is so wrong. Anyone who had Covid at the time of death was marked as a Covid death. People dying of car accidents, cancer, etc - all categorized as Covid.
No and for those talking about the high survival rates, yes that is true though I think maybe many have forgotten the initial reason for lockdowns and covid mandates. It was to try and ensure that there was not a massive infection event over a short period of time which risked overwhelming the capacity of the medical system to deal with it. Without these measures you can guarantee that the death rate would be much higher, not necessarily because the disease was any more deadly but because you'd see what is happening in India where people who would otherwise survive if given medical attention (eg. oxygen) are dying because of lack of supply/access. You would also have other additional deaths from non-Covid related issues due to the strain on the health system.
If anyone needs a demonstration of what an over the top response looks like then go look at Australia. They are pursuing an almost impossible zero Covid case strategy which given the lethality of the disease is insane. They shutdown entire cities of millions of people for days at a time for single cases. They have fines and jailtime for being out during lockdowns or curfews without due cause. They are banning their OWN citizens from coming home from India with the threat of jailtime...
zdscvfzsd wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Dude, you are the only fear mongerer here. Questioning the hyper overreaction by people like you is not fear mongering or an overreaction. If the reaction destroyed the livelihoods of millions and the education of most children in the country while doing almost nothing to stop the 500,000 excess deaths that you claim, then it might have been a major overreaction. It was a major overreaction, one that possibly killed more than it even saved.
Complete falsehoods.
How? Some may be opinions at this point, none complete falsehoods as you falsely are claiming. Do you deny that people's lives were ruined this past year and that children have essentially lost a year of their education. Do you really think people were not severely adversely affected in many cases? Where is the evidence supporting the effectiveness of the these mitigation efforts that destroyed so much. There are too many rich people with a voice sitting in their castles saying "I'm fine so everything is fine" while the world crumbles for many of the common person. I am done caring about your fears over other lives and I believe most people quietly feel the same way.
Harambe wrote:
500k excess deaths. One could argue the mitigation efforts were not perfect, but they definitely were not the biggest overreaction in history.
The hysteria from the COVID denier-fearmongers already a bigger overreaction!
Very few mitigation efforts actually proved effective, and most were extremely damaging. Closing schools and businesses, forcing people at each other's throats over mostly useless masks, none of it really did much good. Every state got walloped at one point or another, regardless of policy.
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