To all the 9:20-9:30 High schoolers that think they’re too good for D2

Correction: It looks like they ran 9:12 in HS. Still a very strong profession.

DsubElite wrote:

No I have respect for people running good times without the promise of even going to a regional meet. Also D1 allows for those 9:20 guys to work their way up and be a top D1 guy. D2 has a limited ceiling. I’m sure Dave Ribich would love to talk about how awesome D2 is with you. If you’re a schmuco who doesn’t care about running that much. Go D2. If you want to be the best and want to work for it. Go D1.

Dude, how is an athlete's specific individual goals in any way relevant? You put in the work either way. Its not somehow nobler to get 15th in every race. If its not about the time you run, and its not about the place you finish then its just about bragging rights. You want to feel better than someone.

Actually there are probably some D 3 programs that would challenge a runner in that range including Williams, North Central College, La Cross. It is more about finding the right program, academics, training philosophy. Of course if you get a ride full to a D I school take but probably won't happen.

Glad to hear that you had a great experience, but it's worth noting that you're an exception to the norm. The overwhelming majority of 9:20-9:30 high schoolers who go D1 end up doing nothing and eventually quit because they can't make their top 7-10.

And while you're coach may have been right about you, there's way too many D1 coaches with that same recruiting pitch who promise 9:20-9:30 guys athletic scholarships that they ultimately don't deliver on. So not only does that recruit end up not getting the scholarship he was expecting, but he also ends up having a bad experience.

At the end of the day you should pick your school based on fit. Division shouldn't matter, ultimately if you see yourself happy at that school you should go there.

Big Timer wrote:

But they all go to terrible schools except for Colorado School of Mines.

First response nailed it.

Why should someone go D2. There’s plenty of D1 programs where you can get the personal attention a lower quality recruit would find at D2. They’ll also get a better education. D2 = dumb, maybe fast. D3 = smart, slow. D1 = fast, smart.

You are correct. That is why dumb kids are generally stuck going D2. The admissions standards, on average, are much lower than D1.

DsubElite wrote:

They’ll also get a better education. D2 = dumb, maybe fast. D3 = smart, slow. D1 = fast, smart.

Damn bro, I actually feel kind of bad that you feel you need to prove you're better than someone this badly. You know what smart people don't do? Painted an entire group of schools with the same brush based on their athletic standing... two completely unrelated things.

He said dumb and maybe fast so he wasn't saying that they are dumb due to being slow. Your reading comprehension is lacking.

Perhaps you should read what he wrote again and examine your own comprehension. Put that D1 education to use...

Labeling them as dumb is accurate and unrelated to their athletic designation. Other than 1 school, the rest of D2 schools are really bad.

golden boy wrote:

Labeling them as dumb is accurate and unrelated to their athletic designation. Other than 1 school, the rest of D2 schools are really bad.

Shoot, pretty embarrassing then that a D2 kid has better reading comprehension than you, isn't it?

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Big Timer wrote:

But they all go to terrible schools except for Colorado School of Mines.

First response nailed it.

UCSD is D2

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

DsubElite wrote:

They’ll also get a better education. D2 = dumb, maybe fast. D3 = smart, slow. D1 = fast, smart.

Damn bro, I actually feel kind of bad that you feel you need to prove you're better than someone this badly. You know what smart people don't do? Painted an entire group of schools with the same brush based on their athletic standing... two completely unrelated things.

Damn bro backed into a corner so you saw the exit for the high road. We need D2 so that D1 doesn’t get swamped. I just hate people telling athletes who are good enough to be D1 that all their hopes and dreams will be fulfilled in D2 when it’s just a lie. D1 is a different mentality. I’ve been in both believe it or not and the D1 team is much more motivated, welcoming than the D2 team. D2 attracts some good athletes but the rest of them are just there because they lack motivation and self discipline. Go ahead and crop out what you want for your argument.

Then perhaps you chose the wrong D2 program...

Of course not. Maybe you didn't understand that we were talking about the schools, not every student who makes the choice to attend one. There are some smart kids who wanted to save money or wanted to stay close to home just like there are some legacy kids or athletes.

Here’s my closing argument. First of all, if you are fast and have the grades to be D1, do it. If you are lacking in the grades department and are fast, go D2. If you are smart but running is a hobby, go D3. They’re plenty of D1 programs who take mid level recruits and turn them into studs. They’re plenty of D2 schools where you’re going to get dragged down with people with poor work ethic/poor natural talent. The results are in the depth of the field. Just because power 5 conferences take in and chew out mid level recruits doesn’t mean they can’t be successful in D1 at a different school.

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

DsubElite wrote:

They’ll also get a better education. D2 = dumb, maybe fast. D3 = smart, slow. D1 = fast, smart.

Damn bro, I actually feel kind of bad that you feel you need to prove you're better than someone this badly. You know what smart people don't do? Painted an entire group of schools with the same brush based on their athletic standing... two completely unrelated things.

Keep it up.

Ok7272 wrote:

I mean, if you're getting a discount on college tuition to run, that's gotta be the deciding factor.

College is just too expensive.

I know DIII can't offer you that or the Ivies but I have no idea about DII.

A handful of the top Delaware kids over the last few years have gone on the run at an Ivy even though they had plenty of other offers. I know that there's not athletic scholarships at the Ivies but there's some finagling of the system going on. These kids are not paying full price tag. In some cases, not even close from what I've been told.