What if your job requires all employees to be vaccinated?

100% vax requirement is cool.

I don't know how they would even enforce it. Looking past Hippa.... a vaccination card is not an official government document. And it's being forged repeatedly.

I'd show my first dose card --3/6/2021 Pfizer

I'd show my second dose card --3/27/2021 Pfizer

And if pressed, I'd insist that only the vaccinated work with us, only vaccinated and/or masked parents get their kids and after hours staff or faculty who walk the halls maskless ..risking our kids' safety get fired.

I'm not forgiving during the pandemic.

I don’t have a problem with it. The anti-vaxxers (without a medical reason) can WFH if it’s that big a deal. Many workers don’t feel comfortable with them around maskless. So you cater to the very few or the many.

Give me a point blank reason why faces need to be shown at your company or risk my wrath, jerk.

Vaccinated for what?

Employment lawyers are saying companies can require vaccination. Sounds weird to me.

If someone refuses the vaccine because they want to wfh forever, you can let them go and you won’t get hit for unemployment since you had work and they refused.

I’m not sure if you can ask someone why they won’t get the vaccine.

Yes, I am hearing it can be required.

I’m not talking only about people refusing to be vaccinated but refusing to declare whether they are one way or another.

Some may be vaccinated but want to keep that private.

Also, some work in manufacturing and obviously cannot do that at home.

I personally don’t think we should require disclosure at this point.

I don't have a traditional job. I am a consultant for many different manufacturing companies, many of which are in other countries, and they all have their own rules. Some of those companies require vaccination, others don't.

As far as working goes, to me it doesn't matter. I am fully vaccinated and I work from home 99% of the time. I rarely go on-site.

As far as getting the pandemic to be over, I am a fan of any authority anywhere requiring citizens/employees, whatever, to get vaccinated.

I had a parent who died in their mid-50’s due to auto-immune disease and a sibling who suffered early in childhood from the same.

I am an otherwise healthy, fit person in my 30’s who has thought long and hard on this over the past year and am at a point of not being willing to get the vaccine yet.

The “unknowns” of what - if any - long term side effect could occur sound all too familiar to me from every medical expert. I don’t say that disparagingly; just honestly. Numerous interventions were assured to be suitable for my family parent, all of which had been in use longer than the pandemic has been around, and we were assured of no long term issues.

The fact of the matter is that you cannot know what you do not know. And I readily admit the same holds true of the virus itself (ie we do not yet know what the long term effects may be).

Why do I say all this? To the OP: unless you’re willing to sit down and have that conversation with each individual employee then mandating vaccination for continued employment would be short sighted.

What do we know about the vaccines thus far? They work great at preventing you from getting the virus. Which means you’re in one of two camps: being willing to get the vaccine in order to nearly eliminate your risk of contracting the virus, or choosing not to and be ok with assuming that risk.

We are quickly reaching a point where everyone that wants the vaccine has either gotten it or can get it and everyone who does not has accepted the risk they assume by not. So where does the risk come in from those who have not had it to those who have in your workplace?

Pretty selfish just wanting everyone else to get vaccinated so you don’t have to

Not at all what I’m saying.

If you want the vaccine, you assume a risk and that is the long term unknowns. If you’re willing to take that risk, then go for it.

If you do not, you also assume a risk. If you’re willing to take that risk, then go for it.

We are nearing a point where if you prefer the former over the latter, you can easily get it and those in the latter category should then be of no concern to you. If those in the latter category are still of concern to you at that point, then I’d love to understand what the purpose of having gotten the vaccine was in the first place if the goal is to protect those who want the vaccination from unwanted infection?

What state are you in? If you have religious morals that prevent you from getting the vaccines like your personal faith won't allow you to use medical treatment that uses embryo chain research from 1985 lineage or whatever they're using, then your company might have to allow you to be unvaccinated, assuming it doesn't cause an overburden on your job performance. This is where the vaccine will never be mandated. It wouldnt pass the high court.

ShoeMan wrote:

What state are you in? If you have religious morals that prevent you from getting the vaccines like your personal faith won't allow you to use medical treatment that uses embryo chain research from 1985 lineage or whatever they're using, then your company might have to allow you to be unvaccinated, assuming it doesn't cause an overburden on your job performance. This is where the vaccine will never be mandated. It wouldnt pass the high court.

What will you do when your church requires you to be vaccinated to attend services? Answer: You find a church that meets you needs. The same is true for an employer. Go find one that meets your needs. And the same is true for running races. Only run in those races that meet your needs.

Get vaccinated or renounce your job.

3000m church steeples wrote:

ShoeMan wrote:

What state are you in? If you have religious morals that prevent you from getting the vaccines like your personal faith won't allow you to use medical treatment that uses embryo chain research from 1985 lineage or whatever they're using, then your company might have to allow you to be unvaccinated, assuming it doesn't cause an overburden on your job performance. This is where the vaccine will never be mandated. It wouldnt pass the high court.

What will you do when your church requires you to be vaccinated to attend services? Answer: You find a church that meets you needs. The same is true for an employer. Go find one that meets your needs. And the same is true for running races. Only run in those races that meet your needs.

Base for a lawsuit if an employer talked to an employee like that. Welcome to the free world.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

I'd show my first dose card --3/6/2021 Pfizer

I'd show my second dose card --3/27/2021 Pfizer

And if pressed, I'd insist that only the vaccinated work with us, only vaccinated and/or masked parents get their kids and after hours staff or faculty who walk the halls maskless ..risking our kids' safety get fired.

I'm not forgiving during the pandemic.

You have also admitted you are stupid, so at least we did not have to debate this.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Give me a point blank reason why faces need to be shown at your company or risk my wrath, jerk.

(1) Mask DO NOT do anything.

(2) People can't effectively communicate with a muzzle over their face

(3) It is ridiculous to anyone except the mentally ill

ShoeMan wrote:

3000m church steeples wrote:

What will you do when your church requires you to be vaccinated to attend services? Answer: You find a church that meets you needs. The same is true for an employer. Go find one that meets your needs. And the same is true for running races. Only run in those races that meet your needs.

Base for a lawsuit if an employer talked to an employee like that. Welcome to the free world.

Oh my. You need to sue your employer for requiring a 40 hour work week, requiring you work with people you may not like, requiring you to come in on time, requiring you to use a bathroom nasty coworkers might use, and requiring you to wear pants, shirts and dress shoes instead for shorts, singlet and running shoes. You will become a multi-millionaire suing employers for requiring you do do things you don't like. And how about that task your boss assigned you that you despise? SUE THEM! GET RICH and PROSPER!