Hilarious! Supply of COVID vaccine greater than demand

the media is corrupt wrote:

Sadly, the leftist Fake News media will never acknowledge their role in this, alienating half the country.

Screw you Fake News CNN and your corrupt cohorts.

If this is the case, then why is it that 50% of male republicans say they won’t get vaccinated.

The "pause" in the JJ vaccine was idiotic and gave ever antivaxer and everyone that was even a bit hesitant a reason to completely go the other way. It was a complete and total screw up.

Also the near religious adherence to mask mandates and shutdowns despite mass vaccinations has been a mixed message that blows a hole right through their (the government) push for vaccination.

There is a distribution problem in the US. Up until recently, most places had some sort of waitlist system in place where you signed up online and waited to get the chance for an appointment to get vaccinated. And there were different systems in place on who was eligible based on age, comorbidities, etc. Once supplies surged, vaccinations were opened up to all comers, but there were still the same appointment systems in place with limited hours (most were 9-5 with limited weekend availability). There are very few vaccination centers that have walk up availability.

The people who can manage their schedules to make an appointment during the work week to get vaccinated are mostly middle and upper class white collar workers. Vaccination rates in higher income neighborhoods are very high compared to lower income neighborhoods.

So, step one is to widely expand the number of walk in vaccination centers. Step two is to start bringing vaccinations to where people work so they do not have to worry about taking time off of work. Step three is to require employers to give workers (extra) paid sick leave if they don't feel well after getting vaccinated. Step four is to have a massive public campaign vaccination campaign. The pro-vaccination camp has largely been spending their time on the defensive against the anti-vaxxers and has been too patient in trying to reason with the anti-vaxxers. It is time to go on the offensive and let people know that the vaccines are the only way out of this pandemic and everyone has a duty to get their shots. This should be a bipartisan, cross cultural effort. The National Review and WSJ have come out pro vaccination.

Once people understand how important vaccination is and barriers to getting vaccinated are broken down, you will see demand for the vaccine go back up.

You are right but am I showing my age when I say that high schools never taught economics classes? At least not 'back in my day' at the two HS I went to. I learned about economics in a 'basic college level economics class' (Econ 101).

I highly doubt this is true. My wife got her first shot last week and I got mine this week. In both cases it took quite a bit of searching to find a place in driving distance, my wife searched for hours and still ended up needing to drive 35 minutes away to get hers. I lucked out and just happened upon a link where my city was doing a 1 day clinic just 5 mins away.

So just basing on our experience as 2 people who really wanted to get the vaccine and finding an appointment and the right information to get that appointment was not really all that easy, my guess is that 'demand' is largely affected by easy or not easy it is for people to get one.

Hm, maybe because we have more than likely already reached herd immunity from both natural and vaccine immunity. If you had gotten the virus and not died, barring some immune deficiency, you should have t-cell immunity for decades as is the case of Sars viruses. By now, a very significant majority of the country should have been exposed to the virus, most should have natural immunity. Vaccines are just the icing on the cake and I think anyone who feels they need one should get one, but not everybody needs one. Will the government, who spent billions getting these vaccines developed, tell you that? Of course not. They need to maintain power, which is why we have so many losers running around telling everyone and their dog to get a vaccine so Fauci will let us go outside again. All in all, if you have had the virus and are fine, you are immune and have already contributed to herd immunity. If you have not been exposed, get the vaccine.

The Unkle wrote:

Why do we need two shots of the two major vaccines?

Unlike vaccines for all other purposes?

Gee. Could it be $$?

Have you gotten a shingles vaccine yet. old man?

And it seems a majority of vaccines require more than one dose. Come back when you get a clue.

from webmd:

Vaccine boosters that children need include:

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)

Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR)

Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (Tdap)

Varicella

Vaccine boosters you may need as a teen or adult include:

Tdap (every 10 years)

Shingles

Pneumonia

Varicella

MMR

Yes, but this isn't a Microeconomics 101 market; the vaccine is free to the consumer in the US, so there isn't really a demand "curve."

A few points:

1) Comparing all mRNA vaccines to the diversity of NSAIDs is not really correct. Biochemically, the vaccines are much similar to each other than different small molecules NSAIDs hitting different targets. The cell is used to dealing with all sorts of RNA of shapes and sizes. This is especially true if you are concerned about say, the lipid packaging of the mRNA vaccines rather than the content itself. In theory, the LNPs around the mRNA are the only thing that is going to be remotely "long-lived" in the body (I don't know the half life of the individual lipids but it's likely longer than the mRNA which is hours to a few days).

The point is that, much of the components HAVE been tested in people. They key mRNA component is very short lived so you'd expect toxicity to appear quickly (i.e. we would see it by now).

2) Any "dangerous immune reactions" would be fast and acute. We would see this toxicity already. That is one of the key adverse reactions the trials were trying to observe. That is no longer a concern.

"If repeated doses of mRNA were too toxic to test in human beings, the company would have to rely on something that takes only one or two injections to show an effect" <- how many doses are the COVID vaccines?

So yeah, much of your post was fearmongering about effects the trials and massive post-approval surveillance have failed to see.

"In the largest health care fraud settlement in history, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer must pay $2.3 billion to resolve criminal and civil allegations that the company illegally promoted uses of four of its drugs"

Note: all current vaccines have not completed human trials. The population at large IS the human trial.

Joke:

Mouse 1: "Are you gonna get the jab?"

Mouse 2: "Hell no, it hasn't even assed the human trial phase!"

There is a demand curve. It's just that the demand curve is a single point at price = $0 and quantity = whatever the current total number of vaccinations given is.

Maybe if the US didn't steal the world's stockpiles then there'd be a different outcome.

mikehammer wrote:

The 1st world was a little greedy I thought with the vaccines

Not sure if it comes back to bite us regarding variants in 3rd world countries

Variants and asymptomatic transmission.

The two main planks of the fear mongering campaign

Harambe wrote:

So yeah, much of your post was fearmongering about effects the trials and massive post-approval surveillance have failed to see.

The nerve of these fear mongering Covid hucksters to accuse others of fear mongering

BuckleUp wrote:

"In the largest health care fraud settlement in history, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer must pay $2.3 billion to resolve criminal and civil allegations that the company illegally promoted uses of four of its drugs"

Note: all current vaccines have not completed human trials. The population at large IS the human trial.

Joke:

Mouse 1: "Are you gonna get the jab?"

Mouse 2: "Hell no, it hasn't even assed the human trial phase!"

Off label promotion is generally not great but it's not like the drugs hadn't passed safety trials for other indications already. Not really the best example, bro.

Also there were 40k+ person phase 3 trials for safety and efficacy last fall. Did you forget to read the news for all of November and December?

yeah buddy wrote:

That is hilarious!

Yes, people in India just find this hysterical that there's so much excess of vaccines right now.

[quote]Harambe wrote:

[quote]BuckleUp wrote:

"In the largest health care fraud settlement in history, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer must pay $2.3 billion to resolve criminal and civil allegations that the company illegally promoted uses of four of its drugs"

Note: all current vaccines have not completed human trials. The population at large IS the human trial.

Off label promotion is generally not great but it's not like the drugs hadn't passed safety trials for other indications already. Not really the best example, bro.

So drugs that passed safety trials harmed millions of people means that drugs that did not pass safety trials are safe?

Damn these hucksters are dense

I had them give me the shot right in my pung. Lord knows I’ve taken much larger and more vile objects right in through the out door. 🤛 🤜 🍌

Harambe wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Then don't shortsightedly skip long-term safety testing.

One year and counting of long term data.

If I said something this stupid, I'd hear about it for the next 10 years.

Long term means the lifespan of a human, not a lab rat.