Seriously, I still see brands releasing shoes with EVA midsole in 2021. It is a disgrace. EVA feels like bricks. If a brand still uses EVA, they should not be taking seriously as a running shoe brand. My grandma does not even use EVA anymore.
Seriously, I still see brands releasing shoes with EVA midsole in 2021. It is a disgrace. EVA feels like bricks. If a brand still uses EVA, they should not be taking seriously as a running shoe brand. My grandma does not even use EVA anymore.
These guys are doing some nice stuff with EVA:
- Skechers Hyper Burst
- Brooks DNA FLASH
- New Balance Fuelcell
- Hoka's
Tell us more about your knowledge & experience of midsole foams.
Nutsack McVandalay wrote:
It's not just about the material or the molecules... It's more about the process used to achieve the desired properties of the foam.
You can make a dense, crappy, and hard EVA or TPU, or you can make a great running shoe with either.
That’s why the Mach 4 is a way overhyped and overrated shoe. The outsole is boring as hell, has no pop, and kills the profly layer.
Sketchers Hyper Burst: "Great Value" shoes, not very durable
Brooks DNA Flash: Probably the best of the EVA, but hard as a rock in cold temperatures
New Balance Fuelcell: Extremely unstable, feels like running on a wet shower floor
Hoka's: Absolute bricks, perhaps the biggest scam in all of running. More foam does not equal more protection.
No it isn’t overrated. The dual density foam creates an experience and perfect combo of soft and responsive that is rarely found in any shoe. People just want to run in comfort.
I haven't tried the Mach 4, but after trying Pebax based shoes I really struggle to put on my Clifton 7... It really does feel like a brick when you've been bouncing along in more modern shoes.
Stupid me also bought another pair of Clifton 6s on the cheap... I can't see myself using them unless my better shoes are soaked through or something.
Hoka really do need to change it up and ditch the EVA...
Skechers Hyper Burst is the best midsole material since Nike Phylon in 1982, and it's still holding up two months later.
Science is sure something, isn't it?
machs are comfortable wrote:
No it isn’t overrated. The dual density foam creates an experience and perfect combo of soft and responsive that is rarely found in any shoe. People just want to run in comfort.
Whatever you say, Seth.
Nobody should be buying Hoka shoes (in 2021), other brands are doing just fine with EVA
Who’s Seth?
I was wondering that too. Who is Seth?
hoka is so 2011 wrote:
Nobody should be buying Hoka shoes (in 2021), other brands are doing just fine with EVA
Credit to Hoka and people like NAZ elite who have done great work to legitimize these shoes. They are earning their $, since they are objectively not very good shoes.
eva is so 2011 wrote:
Sketchers Hyper Burst: "Great Value" shoes, not very durable
New Balance Fuelcell: Extremely unstable, feels like running on a wet shower floor
I haven't had any durability issues with Hyperburst. The outsole might wear a bit but I'm still seeing 400-500 miles no problem.
I have no idea what you mean by Fuelcell being "like a wet shower floor". You think it's slippery?
Anyway, EVA is still fine for what it is. Probably wouldn't choose it for a serious race, but it's perfectly good even there (and much much cheaper - I can get EVA flats new for $90 vs. 130-200+ with a new foam).
Just give me a shoe that I can run in everyday on pavement that provides a similar feel to running on dirt or grass. I don't care what materials are in the foam.
I'll leave the bouncy shoes for races.
you realize that even PEBA (PEBAX) is used to make hard shanks/plates in shoes? Track spike plates are made of it.
guess what - same stuff in Nike.
It's all about the process of how the material is treated, not what the material specifically is.
I run in Hokas because I have sesamoiditis in my right foot and Hokas seem to be the only shoe I can run in pain-free. If I could run is something else, I would.
The original Machs and Hupana EMs were great.
I usually run in Cliftons but haven't bought the 7 yet. They're nice...but I can feel their weight.
Have you even tried them lately? Hokas have vastly improved the past 5 years. All the other brands are trying to copy what they’ve mastered with the lightweight max cushioning.
ClonedDuck wrote:
you realize that even PEBA (PEBAX) is used to make hard shanks/plates in shoes? Track spike plates are made of it.
guess what - same stuff in Nike.
It's all about the process of how the material is treated, not what the material specifically is.
Not really. EVA has two problems: durability and weight. You can use fancy gas infusion to reduce weight, but guess how it's going to affect durability? Yep, having less dense EVA makes it even less durable.
Is there any evidence to back that up? I haven't noticed much of a difference. Plus, except for the pelletized shoes like Saucony's, Pebax seems to have notably poor durability.
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