What will Rupp run with these New Super Shoes?

He won't run a fast 10000, but I do hope he breaks the AR in the half marathon. I'd think anyone in shape to take a medal at the Olympics must be in 59:30 shape or better. I could see Rupp capable of a 2:03 marathon, but he's never really gotten in a race like Berlin or London.

are you both demented? his pb is 2;06.07 his latest time is 2:09;20.

he peaked 2018.

stop confusing hype and dreams with reality.

2.02??????????????????????????????

madness.

pupil3142 wrote:

are you both demented? his pb is 2;06.07 his latest time is 2:09;20.

he peaked 2018.

stop confusing hype and dreams with reality.

2.02??????????????????????????????

madness.

Well I think you are on the other side of the madness ... That 2:09:20 was a great performance for the course, and he made it look easy. Just going for the win, not to run fast.

Rupp can and will get the AR in the half marathon, and yea I think he can still go sub 59 and I think he can also do 204 on a WR eligible course.

But fast times on the track...I sorta doubt he ever goes back and puts that work in.

I gotta side with the Pupil here. We know exactly what he will do. He runs in them now and has since early '16. He has never run a marathon without them. He can get a number in any race in the world. He has run exactly the races he (or Al) wanted to.

What can he do in perfect weather, perfect course half? The closest thing to a BTC-type time trial? And wearing the exact perfect shoe? He did exactly this, and didn't get anywhere near sub-58, sub-59, nor Hall's AR (which, incidentally, was run in a real race, without any pacers brought by him or otherwise, and without 'The Shoes').

What about a flat, fast, marathon. In good weather, and with the latest shoe technology? He's done this too. Chicago set one up for him. Everything perfect.

A couple minutes slower than Hall on the same course was the result. (Did I mention the shoe dissimilarity compared to Hall's?) Ran another in Europe. Got a few seconds on Hall this time. That's what Rupp can do with the latest $200-300 shoes. We saw what happened when Chicago didn't clear the field for him. Had guys to run with the whole way. Paid pacers most of that, then competitors to chase until the end. He did get dragged to within a couple minutes of the AR! Even got into the top-10 in the race!

Covid or not, he most certainly HAS had the opportunity to run. The Trials let him run. Another 10 seconds per mile and he'd have been close to what Hall ran on a hilly course. (Rupp tried that course too, had company and guys to chase the whole time, not to mention The Shoes, and almost got within 5 minutes of Hall's time!)

Viruses notwithstanding, he put together the much-hyped AR record attempt on the bike path. Cool, pool-table flat, personal pacer. This happened during the whole Covid crisis, did it not? Did he wear old Streaks for this? If so, maybe we don't know what he could do with the latest, most expensive shoe on the market (or maybe not yet). Oh, he DID wear them. Oh, OK.

This debate may be relevant for someone like Kannouchi. Another thread speculates on exactly that. What someone who had access to the technology in question since it has existed (even before it could be purchased) - in his prime - is not worth speculation. This experiment has been held in real life.

The result? No World Records. (Nothing close.) No American Records (all he has predate The Shoes). Within several seconds of Ryan Hall in both the half and full marathons. Dodged London, Berlin, Dubai, and every fast Japanese race. RAK and every race in Valencia went on without him, even though he had similar shoes to everyone else. We know to the second what he's capable of. Now that this has been pointed out - and yes, The Shoes existed during his prime years - there is no need to guess, wonder, or grant him records and wins he didn't actually achieve.

By the way, he could have run The Marathon Project. Right in the middle of the much publicized pandemic. Would have been welcome. Perfect course and conditions. I guess he would have gone under 2:01 in that, right? I mean, he could have worn any shoes he wanted!

douglas burke wrote:

Low 26 in the 10000

Well under 58 in the Half marathon, Possible World Record, He is probably better than Jacob Kiplimo at 10000 to the Marathon as it takes a long time to develop for Endurance Races so a 20 Year old wont beat Rupp at 10000 to the Marathon, J. Kiplimo and J. Ingebrigtsten would likely beat Rupp at 1500, 3000 and 5000.

I say 2:02 in the Marathon I don't think he beats Kipchoge's Record of 2:01.39

Because of Covid Rupp has not had an opportunity to run in the new shoes where everyone is getting massive Personal Best's so he will clearly (Based on everyone else getting huge Personal Best's) smash his times of 26:44 for 10000, 59:47 for Half Marathon and 2:06.07 for the Marathon, it will be exciting to see by how much.

Not only is all of your speculation totally nuts, but personal bests should not have an apostrophe.

Douglas Burke what you fail to grasp is that Galen is fairly close to being a has been. Gale will NEVER run faster than 27:15 even in the new shoes. Galen will NEVER run faster than 2:06 even in the new shoes. Galen had his time in the sun but now he is an aging runner who won’t even be the best U.S. marathoner by the fall of 2022.

Agree that there is no reason to expect him to reset his PR's in a major way (since he has already had multiple opportunities over the past several years with "the shoes"), but I don't think Rupp will be toppled from his throne as the top male US marathoner in the next couple of years. Athletes' careers last forever nowadays. 32 ain't what it used to be. And he's a guy who takes care of himself and does the little things he needs to do. He dominated the Trials in 2020, and I don't see any US runners coming up who are quite of Rupp's caliber.

My predictions for his future times:

10K - no time. Does he even run track anymore?

13.1 miles: I could see him getting the AR in that, if nobody beats him to it. Let's say 59:30.

26.2 miles: 2:05-ish maybe.

Sub-58 and 2:02? No way in hell.

Not a big fan, due to his Salazar connections, but give Rupp his due: he can deliver on race-day. Maybe he is reminiscent of Meb, who never ran a great time relative to the rest of the world's elite marathoners, but almost always managed to be competitive in any race he ran.

Galen will be 36 next year. There are very few 36 year old marathoners who are truly great and one can see that Galen will not be one of them. Yes Kipchoge and Bekele but can you name 5 other current marathoners in their mid 30s who are really that great? Not really.

Did not realize he was quite that old. Still, I bet he has 2-4 good years of marathon running left in him.

douglas burke wrote:

Because of Covid Rupp has not had an opportunity to run in the new shoes.

You don´t follow running much, do you?

Emoemo wrote:

Douglas Burke what you fail to grasp is that Galen is fairly close to being a has been. Gale will NEVER run faster than 27:15 even in the new shoes. Galen will NEVER run faster than 2:06 even in the new shoes. Galen had his time in the sun but now he is an aging runner who won’t even be the best U.S. marathoner by the fall of 2022.

rupp fanbois need to move on. this post is very correct. sad but true. just move on.

There's the Olympics too, don't y'all forget that. No fast times, but three medals up for grabs.

Rupp has had the dragonfly and the Vaporfly since 2016

Idk, the clock is starting to tick a little for Rupp. He's 34 and has been training at a high level for two decades. He has had some more serious injuries in recent years. The 10k seemed to be his sweet spot and he hasn't altogether panned out at the marathon. He is definitely a racer. I would never count him out of a podium spot for most marathons but he has had opportunities to run fast in the new shoes and hasn't over the half and full.

He has literally worn the 'super shoes', his road PRs are with them. He has not broken the American half or full marathon records, even with vaporfly/alpha fly

NERunner00053 wrote:

Idk, the clock is starting to tick a little for Rupp. He's 34 and has been training at a high level for two decades. He has had some more serious injuries in recent years. The 10k seemed to be his sweet spot and he hasn't altogether panned out at the marathon. He is definitely a racer. I would never count him out of a podium spot for most marathons but he has had opportunities to run fast in the new shoes and hasn't over the half and full.

His sweet spot since beginning marathon training has been the race distances he's never run - the Bix 7 for example, or any 15K here or overseas, or a 10-miler.

He won't run anything even US-leading on the track any more, and might run a mid-2:06 if he gets in a flat, paced Euro race, but he won't do that.

Assuming the Olympics actually happens, he might be fifth, simply because only three from each Eastern African nation can run, and he can do well in heat and in championship races. But to think he's going to set any records? No. We've seen what he can do, and it's not that.

Well marathon world record has been set many times by people 35+, that is not an issue.

Someone mentioned that Rupp has had a setup to run fast, Chicago, and he "failed" by only running 2:06:??. We know he was suffering an injury, because he got surgery on it right after. The year before he won it, but it was a non paced time.

I think many people discount Rupp because he isn't out there racing right now so they assume he is done. Well, Rupp rarely lays an egg when he toes the line, so until he all of a sudden looks like Hall did at the end of his marathon career, I will continue to think Rupp has upside.

NERunner00053 wrote:

Idk, the clock is starting to tick a little for Rupp. He's 34 and has been training at a high level for two decades. He has had some more serious injuries in recent years. The 10k seemed to be his sweet spot and he hasn't altogether panned out at the marathon. He is definitely a racer. I would never count him out of a podium spot for most marathons but he has had opportunities to run fast in the new shoes and hasn't over the half and full.

Hasn't panned out in the marathon? Two time trials champion, Chicago champion, an Olympic medal, and twice 2:06 with haglunds deformity and you say "hasn't panned out."

I guess by that measure, we haven't had any American pan out since the 70s or early 80s ...