Hobbs Kessler: "There are coaches with more accolades, but pretty much all those coaches are under suspect for doping"

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

outdoorseater wrote:

You’d say any accusation against an African training group is racist.

Who has ever seriously suspected or claimed Moh Ahmed or Lopez Lomong of doping?

They’re not rooted in racism, they’re rooted in reality based on past indiscretions and out of competition testing. Stop virtue signaling.

No, if you want to get after African athletes managed by the Rosas or coached by Salazar, I think it is valid to be skeptical.

When you're going after the three coaches I mentioned who do not have a history of doping allegations/positive tests then I think you are crossing a line. If doping is so easy in Ethiopia than why did Kejelcha move to the US? What is the argument that Kamworor, Kipyegon and Kipchoge are doping? That they're fast?

You virtue-signaling frauds are the worst - but great for laughs.

The E. Africans indulge in "fueling up" on EPO etc. while in their native lands. Some may move here a few months a year for the additional (and sometimes superior) coaching and facilities. But they always go back home to visit the family or what have you before hitting the tracks in Europe. No matter how much shade you throw at everyone else the fact is that the E. Africans are rarely tested if at all. When they are tested, it's always a second stringer or a training partner of one of the big guns who goes down. Obviously behind the scenes politics are protecting this artificial situation. E. Africa has great talent but the overall numbers we're seeing are a joke - and things are going to get worse, not better because whoever is in charge has an agenda. Between drugs and super shoes you're going to see some ridiculous performances this summer from these saintly folk. And none of it will be untainted.

** untested - meaning untested at home. Don't try and cover by bringing up the testing on the circuit, which is suspect anyway when it comes to third world athletes.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

outdoorseater wrote:

You’d say any accusation against an African training group is racist.

Who has ever seriously suspected or claimed Moh Ahmed or Lopez Lomong of doping?

They’re not rooted in racism, they’re rooted in reality based on past indiscretions and out of competition testing. Stop virtue signaling.

If doping is so easy in Ethiopia than why did Kejelcha move to the US? What is the argument that Kamworor, Kipyegon and Kipchoge are doping? That they're fast?

I've explained this before. They probably get the best of both worlds. The USDA prioritise American athletes. Kejelcha does not get tested by USDA as much as Galen Rupp (if at all outside of meets) and Ethiopian anti'-doping certainly aren't testing him in the USA.

As somebody else said, they go back home and probably spend months there each year. I doubt if even the likes of El G were doping with EPO 365 days a year.

Mo Farah certainly had the best of both worlds, or even best of 3 worlds. When he was in the USA under Al Sal, he wouldn't be getting tested much as a UK athlete while he was benefitting from the l-carnitine and testosterone patches. Then he'd spend the winter in remote Epiopia with Jama Aden and likely go full throttle for several months. And essentially, the UK taxpayer was funding it all.

Let's not forget that we are talking about USADA here. The same USADA who "couldn't" catch Armstrong before his retirement, the same USADA who declares roided athletes as innocent if they ate beef (Wilson), the same USADA who gives warning calls to athletes prior to "announced" OOC tests, and the same USADA who doesn't flag missed tests if the athlete comes back after a phone call (Coleman) or even if they can follow the athlete to another city within 60 miles (Simpson).

It's a lot easier to dope here than in a country with a serious NADO that follows WADA rules.

OOC testing in Kenya? LOL - there the athletes used to get warnings ahead before the "announced" test (Kiprop).

Those three coaches? Let's not forget that Sang - like Salazar - got one of his athletes banned for doping.

One of our best young runners has a lot of faith in his coach and training partners which inspires 4 pages of adults who have never met him bashing the kid under anonymous usernames. I swear track and field fans are the whiniest group of pansies out there

Amen

Knowzdscore wrote:

** untested - meaning untested at home. Don't try and cover by bringing up the testing on the circuit, which is suspect anyway when it comes to third world athletes.

You’re just bringing up unsubstantiated nonsense. Not worth arguing with people who just assume every East African is doping because they’re from the third world. Racism? Nativism? Whatever it is, it isn’t pretty. I have no problem with Kessler but the innuendo of his comment is irresponsible.

Coaches self-medicating wtf.

Cyclists are bitches