Correct - Rudy Chapa, Carey Pinkowski, and Tim Keough were #1, 2, and 4 in the country in the two mile that year. Went on to Oregon, Villanova, and Arizona State, in that order. I watched from afar as a scrub sophomore...
Correct - Rudy Chapa, Carey Pinkowski, and Tim Keough were #1, 2, and 4 in the country in the two mile that year. Went on to Oregon, Villanova, and Arizona State, in that order. I watched from afar as a scrub sophomore...
Switching over to track, three guys from the same school went sub-9 for two miles in the same race at New Balance Nationals.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:
Toga Party of '04 wrote:
Saratoga Springs HS put four girls in the finals in 2004. Went 1, 3, 5, 6 in the tough NE regional that included the national champion (Aislinn Ryan) but did not perform as well at nationals.
This... just having 4 women make FL from the same team is the best team performance of all time. Unfortunately they had to run the first ever NXN the week before FLN and it clearly took a toll on the girls. For comparison Aislinn Ryan won Foot Locker that year and Saratoga's top runner Nicole Blood beat her handily at Manhattan Invite, States, Feds, FLNE by an average of like 12 seconds.
Yeah, but two of those girls trasferred in from a school 25 miles away... one of whom transferred back out before finishing HS. Her family never moved. Artificial superteams shouldn't count.
How about the Torres brothers from Illinois, I thought there was also another very good runner with them but that might have been a club and not the same high school?
Chris Derrick, Danny Pawola and Jim Riddle graduated from Naperville the same year, and I think they were all under 9:10, and VERY solid in XC. I also am pretty sure that any of the teams with three sub-9 guys would probably trump the top 20 FL performance FROM THAT TIME.
I miss the annual "What could a healthy Matt Davis have done...." threads. Must mean we're getting old. I grew up on Pre and Matt Davis stories.
I didn't even know what Footlocker WAS in 83, but we had a pretty good team.
We couldn't all get through our district, but still.
So 2 guys from one school and one guy from another got those places?
Brad Hudson went to North Hunderton a year prior, then somehow ended up in South Eugene the next year.
CoachB wrote:
Did the Hammond High guys run FLN (Kinney back then?). Don’t know the dates off the top of my head, whether they pre dated the national meet.
All 3 did go under 9:00 on the track though.
Took this long for the complimentary Hammond High mention? Come on now.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
CoachB wrote:
Did the Hammond High guys run FLN (Kinney back then?). Don’t know the dates off the top of my head, whether they pre dated the national meet.
All 3 did go under 9:00 on the track though.
Took this long for the complimentary Hammond High mention? Come on now.
Oops, I meant to say obligatory mention.
spokane xc wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Just looked this up ... Kingwood High won Texas state championship in 93, 94, 95, 96, 97 and 98. In 93 Hausers and Lewis Jones went 1, 2, 3. Jones won in 95 with another guy 2nd. That guy won in 96 and other guys won in 97, and 98.
An all-time "What If" is if NXN existed in the early/mid-90s so that Mead and Kingwood could have raced each other. 1993 was probably each of Kingwood and Mead's best year. In 93, Mead went 1-3 at state as well, and the Davis brothers finished 4 and 10 at FL. Skiy DeTray, number 5 for Mead in 93, qualified for FL the next year. The top 5 all ran under 4:13.
In the spring of (i think) 95 Skiy and Micah Davis were 2 of only 3 guys two go sub 9 at 8:57/58. They also each ran 4:07.
I was a running n00b and obsessed over the lists in T&F News and couldn’t understand how two dudes with cool names from the same school were so fast.
Re: the Illinois teams
Wheeling never had another national class runner with the Torres twins. There was an all state level guy a year or two before them, and a couple behind them. But no national guys.
Nequa did run Derrick, Pawola, and Riddle together, but they weren't the same class. Derrick and Riddle were '08, Pawola was '09. Riddle is the tough one to place though, I don't think he got a serious shot at FL.
The top IL teams to this would likely be York in '99 or '04. '99 was Sage, Palumbo, Cioni 1/5/6 at state and all under 14:36 (team score 24 with the 5th runner being 12th overall and the 6th runner still being all state). '04 was McNamara and the Dettman twins going 1, 2, 3 at state (beating Havel and Jager in 5/6) and then 1, 4, 16 at the first NXN.
I think '04 would be the closest - McNamera was probably top 5 and the twins easily could have been top 10 if they had decided to do FL and had a good day.
They school they were at, Argyle, no longer fielded a team and so they had to transfer. Their other star teammate also transferred to Greenwich. The girls that went to Toga (Lane and Davidson) both got to another level after they transferred. It is completely valid to count this. Also Lane never transferred back to Argyle, she transferred to Greenwich.
Kids transfer schools for a myriad of reasons and elite athletes parent's making the choice to have them go to a top notch program happens all the time in all sports and doesn't invalidate their win.
Yeah, must have been a club team thing. I recall some other solid runners with the same t-shirts on hanging Ed & Jorge back in the day.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:
They school they were at, Argyle, no longer fielded a team and so they had to transfer. Their other star teammate also transferred to Greenwich. The girls that went to Toga (Lane and Davidson) both got to another level after they transferred. It is completely valid to count this. Also Lane never transferred back to Argyle, she transferred to Greenwich.
Kids transfer schools for a myriad of reasons and elite athletes parent's making the choice to have them go to a top notch program happens all the time in all sports and doesn't invalidate their win.
Nope. Fake.
It wasn't just the boys who excelled at North Hunterdon. In 1985 they had two girls go to Nationals - Jodie Bilotta and Anne Letko.
Grassrunner wrote:
Brad Hudson 3rd, Bill Babcock 5th, Andy Martin 19th.
All three ran for North Hunterdon HS together in 1983, although Hudson transferred out moving to OR in '84.
Has something comparable to this ever been done before or since?
Very impressive coming from one high school at the national level.
I do know of at least one comparable performance since then:
NXN 2016 - Boys
Casey Clinger 1st, McKay Johns 9th, Patrick Parker 20th. All for American Fork high school.
https://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=13&do=news&news_id=448977xeroxx wrote:
What about the Mastalir brothers? Did they have a 3rd mate?
They did Paul Thomas who ran 9:05 3200 in spring.
Per this 1985 NorCal results Jesuit did not fair well with all great studs.
http://lynbrooksports.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/XC/1985/norcal.htmHmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:
Kids transfer schools for a myriad of reasons and elite athletes parent's making the choice to have them go to a top notch program happens all the time in all sports and doesn't invalidate their win.
This has been the case for a LONG time. I think the Smoky Hill one they are referring to was Keira Sammons, who transferred from Arizona and then went to Footlocker twice while at Smoky Hill with Katelyn Kaltenbach.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=542288#542288Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
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