Rheinhardt Harrison RIPS Final Workout Before SUB-4 Attempt

Brite Bart wrote:

Hold on now.... wrote:

Who is this guy? This thread is the first I'm hearing of him.

Then the problem is with you not him.

No problem at all on my end. I don't feel left out having not previously heard of him. Are you the kid himself posting here? That's something JS would do.

Sure but who’s to say KB et al couldn’t have run faster with pacers staying in for longer or others (somehow) ahead of them to try to hang with…. Think about most of the fastest ever miles by high schoolers: mostly getting dragged along in pro races. So this and just the general wisdom is supportive of ‘the right race’ mattering

Hold on now.... wrote:

Brite Bart wrote:

Then the problem is with you not him.

No problem at all on my end. I don't feel left out having not previously heard of him.

You should. 4:02 in August.

Reasonable point. Could these all-time great performances been faster yet if somehow someone was with them or even ahead of them? I guess it's possible. But do you think Webb, for example, could have run much faster if he was in 'the right race' instead of an essentially solo time trial? Maybe so. Point taken.

I guess someone (perhaps the guy himself) feels he answered my first quarter by being offended I'd never heard of him. But the second question - what is the story behind this race - wasn't in any sense answered. It wasn't a school district nor state HS athletic authority event, right? If he put it together, or did so with Tinman's help, wouldn't he have access to any number of semi-pros who could run 3/4 under 3 without breaking much of a sweat?

some people can't do the solo thing. maybe it's a weakness. not sure if it is really a thing with this harrison kid or not.

You do raise a good point with Webb. Even if a perfectly run solo mile is just 1s slower than if rabbited / dragged along, it puts him at 3:45. And if someone wants to argue 2-3… that seems maybe implausible (never say never) in this example given it would yield 3:43-44… so it’s a good counterexample and does seem to suggest that the drag for a solo race is max 2s assuming the race is run in a way that minimizes the detriment of running solo

If you watch the video above you will see it was Very windy.

I bet he knew sub 4 wasn’t going to happen ,

Hold on now.... wrote:

I guess someone (perhaps the guy himself) feels he answered my first quarter by being offended I'd never heard of him.

Offended? No. Simply amazed that someone on a board nearly 100% about the sport of distance running including a ton of HS talk would post a multi paragraph "who is this guy" for a junior to be who ran 4:02.

Again, you've managed to turn this into being about you and it's time for you to tuck tail, go back and think of another cute handle and return to the board to post more stupid chit.

The last 2 posters as I write this could be onto something. Are there great solo performances that really couldn't have been any faster because the only limits at the time were physiological? I say almost certainly. I think pointing to Webb is a great example.

I suspect KB was pretty close to his actual physiological limits. Would pacing lights be good for 2 and 4 seconds in the 5 and 10ks? Maybe, maybe a little less, but if so he could have been in the ballpark of the current records.

All that having been said, it could be that there are those who can run regardless of who's around them but those who can't. That certainly could be a. Valid point. Thing is, I'm a sceptic when some suggest 9-10 seconds faster is what he's actually physically capable of right now. Hard to believe, right? That's a lot.

Were my high school training miles mentioned in my first post 'worth' 9 seconds faster? I could have: run it on Mondo, worn spikes, and trained for the event (as opposed to doing mile repeats only as training for 10k). That's a lot of changes worth a certain number of seconds. This guy's already doing all of that. So I'm back to what my second post says: how many seconds was the wind worth? 1 or 2?

I'm also somewhat of a doubter when a big self-promoter (if you post workouts on YT, you are by definition this) supposedly runs workouts suggesting whatever fitness and them seem far from such in actual performance. When mile repeats are actually 1600, without a rail, and hand timed, several seconds can be fudged. The way to show us that your fitness is sub-4 or sub-whatever is by doing it.

I'm neither a hater nor a fan. As I said, never heard of the guy. But I'll judge by performance. When JS starts threads about himself claiming to be the greatest coach history has yet seen, I scoff. If he churns out medalists and record breakers who openly admit he's involved, well then that's that. But as it is now? Come on. I'm just not sure this guy is much different. Posting videos, maybe starting threads or posting in them, that goes a long way toward not convincing me. Going 3:57 or under? Well, then we're talking!

Brite Bart wrote:

Hold on now.... wrote:

I guess someone (perhaps the guy himself) feels he answered my first quarter by being offended I'd never heard of him.

Offended? No. Simply amazed that someone on a board nearly 100% about the sport of distance running including a ton of HS talk would post a multi paragraph "who is this guy" for a junior to be who ran 4:02.

Again, you've managed to turn this into being about you and it's time for you to tuck tail, go back and think of another cute handle and return to the board to post more stupid chit.

Actually you are offended. This much is obvious.

birdbeard wrote:

"I do think he’ll get it if something like the adidas dream mile or music city or a pro race he can get into happens this spring"

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Couldn´t Rheinhardt participate in the International Mile in DL Eugene later this year?

As Jakob did in 2017 at 16 where he ran 3:58 ( shortly after he improved to 3:56).

Lots of bitter, salty and jealous people commenting here. To bash a 17yo approaching sub 4 is quite ludicrous. He ran 4:06 solo in 17mph wind in his season opener and 4:01 as a 16yo. The kid is phenomenal. Those of you saying otherwise are clearly insecure about your own running and wish you had an ounce of talent this kid does.

Harrison, if you're reading, amazing work. You will get sub 4 this season with patience and any amount of luck. And don't read any forum posts here about you. Many of the people here are green with envy and love to put a talent down.

Smh

I started to reply to this guy but then I thought maybe nobody's "upstairs". How anyone can hate on this kids talent is pathetic. He's definitely is trolling.

nomadiclife wrote:

Lots of bitter, salty and jealous people commenting here. To bash a 17yo approaching sub 4 is quite ludicrous. He ran 4:06 solo in 17mph wind in his season opener and 4:01 as a 16yo. The kid is phenomenal. Those of you saying otherwise are clearly insecure about your own running and wish you had an ounce of talent this kid does.

Harrison, if you're reading, amazing work. You will get sub 4 this season with patience and any amount of luck. And don't read any forum posts here about you. Many of the people here are green with envy and love to put a talent down.

I read every post and nobody is claiming he isn't talented. Everyone thinks he'll run well under 4 minutes.

The criticism is that people don't believe he'll be one of the top runners in the world because he's already close to his full potential.

If you are getting that offended by people saying he'll finish his career with like a 3:53 and not a 3:46 then you need to calm down and get a life.

I second those predictions.

Look, as I said before, he looked cooked for that last workout he was supposed to have "ripped" according to the thread title, a workout where he cut out repetitions and struggled through a 400m in 60-61. That was the cost of the huge workout of mile repeats and 54s 400s. On that day, he was in well under 4 shape. Now, hopefully, he will learn to back off a bit on the hero workouts and recognize that sharpening requires leaving something in the tank. I fully expect him to recover later on in the season, get into a pro-collegiate race and run sub-4 in good conditions. As for humidity, it was relatively cool and windy last night in Florida, good weather for running but too windy on the track to run sub 4.

Try reading the first 2 pages as you clearly haven't read every comment or have short term memory loss.

Again another novice response. When will you guys learn. It's a basic running knowledge to figure out the time difference based on wind speed. Which he would be around 4:00-4:01 based on the conditions of this last race .This is not counting humidity which I don't know how it was for this race. So given that this was his FIRST mile of the season, after some obviously hard training weeks it's extremely plausible he will be able to run 3:57 in 1-2 months if he finds good weather and stays healthy. This is very early in his season so a 4:06 mile in windy conditions as JUNIOR is absolutely freaking incredible!

Pacing to run a fast time is never an excuse that someone should have ran faster by themselves. Almost every extremely fast mile ever run was run with a good pacer. His pacer did not do a good job in this race, which is fine because it was his FIRST mile of the season. I never said anything about the pacer needing to stay with him towards the end of the race. I'd the pacer even brought him through 600-800 at 4:00 pace with non windy conditions, you would see a different results... Which I'm sure in the coming months you will, and you will look like a novice for not seeing if now.

Peace