Katelyn Tuohy 24th!

Why isn't she running indoor? What is her plan for the season? Is she really going to BYU?

It is amazing how there seem to be so many cases on the women's side of early bloomers (Cain, Tuohy, Ping). Hoping she is able to regain her high school form and avoid injuries the rest of the way.

I may have missed it, but was surgery confirmed? I thought it was still somewhat under wraps

the announcers of the race stated she had surgery, but nothing was specified as to what the surgery was....maybe just a scope....but I don't think it was ever clarified.

CrispyChicken wrote:

eww wrote:

Ok let's maybe stay away from commenting on young women's bodies. Gross

OK, we will turn a blind eye to science and ignore body type (male, female, or however a person identifies) as a factor in athletic performance, particularly running performance, be it sprinting, middle distance, or distance running. Accordingly, we shouldn't discussed Ryan Hall bulking up. We should also probably avoid discussions about running form (e.g. foot strike, arm swing, etc.). Such clinical discussions have no place in modern society.

That's one of the reasons some female runners peak early. They develop and have issues training with their new body.

It's a little less pronounced in males.

Really though it's more common to see a successful HS runner plateau than to see one continuously improve at the same rate.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

CrispyChicken wrote:

OK, we will turn a blind eye to science and ignore body type (male, female, or however a person identifies) as a factor in athletic performance, particularly running performance, be it sprinting, middle distance, or distance running. Accordingly, we shouldn't discussed Ryan Hall bulking up. We should also probably avoid discussions about running form (e.g. foot strike, arm swing, etc.). Such clinical discussions have no place in modern society.

That's one of the reasons some female runners peak early. They develop and have issues training with their new body.

It's a little less pronounced in males.

Really though it's more common to see a successful HS runner plateau than to see one continuously improve at the same rate.

Alan

I am so tired of this garbage myth of an opinion. "new body". WTF? Honestly, what do men think happens to women's bodies during puberty? I shudder to think, but I'd imagine it's way further from the truth.

BOTH female and male phenoms struggle with bringing their high school talent to fruition. BOTH.

For all your obsession on Tuohy, how many male HS phenoms ever reached their top potential? Olympic Gold Medalist Matthew Centrowitz was 8th at Footlocker. Not the national champion. Not even 1st team All American. 8th. And besides Hassan, is there anything special about the runners who finished ahead of him I missed?

And spare me the crap about how before Molly Seidel no girls HS national XC champion had ever won the college XC title. its TWO RACES in the span of a long career. Also, it's not like every boy's HS champion is winning in college. Only a very small handful, and of those, many struggled in the pros. Alan Webb was a phenom to end phenoms and his career had spark but was largely not what it should have been. Dathan Ritzenhein's career was marred with injuries. It's not like girls and puberty is like this grand mystery--or an excuse to tear girls down.

All in all, its really really hard to become pro or become successful in running. It takes a lot of work, luck, drive, and support. That's why on both sides you don't see a lot of athletes panning out. It's not just about girl's "new bodies" or whatever you're talking about.

She didn’t need to run indoors. She is running outdoor and yes, she is going to BYU.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

She still overrated and will burnout and be the next Brianna Jackuowicz

Seriously, you Briana Jackucewicz is your comparison? I'm pretty sure she sat out her first three years of college due to injuries and did not run a single race until her senior year. I think 24th at NCAAs as a freshman just slightly blows her out of the water. Very poor comparison.

Come on now, no middle or high school boy runs anywhere close the same level as top young women do each year (on a relative basis compared to their pro counterparts). Wider hips and bigger chest doesn't exactly promote faster times the way an increase of testosterone does.

That is true for distance running but not for sprinting. Check the times for Brandon Miller and Tyrese Cooper 6 years ago.

Good point. I don't really follow anything under like a 800 so don't know too much about that aspect of the sport. The lone exception was the Sydney McLaughlin just because of how much of a sensation she was even outside the T&F world.

oianveioion wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

That's one of the reasons some female runners peak early. They develop and have issues training with their new body.

It's a little less pronounced in males.

Really though it's more common to see a successful HS runner plateau than to see one continuously improve at the same rate.

Alan

I am so tired of this garbage myth of an opinion. "new body". WTF? Honestly, what do men think happens to women's bodies during puberty? I shudder to think, but I'd imagine it's way further from the truth.

What you imagined and the facts about reality are two very different things!

It's a scientific fact that during and after puberty women's bodies change in a way that makes them less successful runners! It affects different girls to different degrees , and they certainly can become great Runners if they train and are smart about it

Anyway it's just a scientific fact that during puberty girls bodies are flooded with estrogen. Estrogen makes the body much more likely to gain fat. And much more difficult to gain muscle. Especially lean muscle mass

Their hips widen. They develop breasts. It's the wonders of nature that gets them ready for the ability to have children

Sorry if you think your imagination is better than scientific fact at understanding reality. And also sorry if you can't deal with a biology and the fact that as humans we are part of the biological world

It's just the way it is. It simply makes it a little tougher for young women and they have to be smart about it and once their bodies fully mature they can obviously improve a lot as runners. It's just more difficult in a lengthy process

On the other hand young men's bodies are flooded with testosterone which leads towards increase muscle mass and physical stamina

Is a reason that boys times consistently increase while girls don't. Again we are talking in generalities here. There's always exceptions to the rules and like I said it affects every individual slightly different

But the bottom line is for 95% of girls they will at least have a much more significant plateau. Or some decline

While at least the majority of boys are able to steadily increase year after year. If they train consistently. Again we're talking in generalities obviously individuals have to deal with injury and their own ups and downs. But facts are facts and biology is biology let's not wallow in ignorance

As the simple evidence of this. How many 7th and 8th grade boys are top 20 at nxn?

None! It never happens. While it happens almost every year in the girls race

And how many boys have faster times as an 8th or 9th grader than they do as a junior or senior? That is boys who are Elite Runners and trained really hard and consistently. I'd say almost none!

Well it's common for girls to have their fastest times as freshman or sophomore and then be slower. There's tons of girls who slow down as they develop in high school.

I mean it's amazing you cannot see what is so obvious if you just look at the times!

It seems changes to the female runner's training regimen could some help lessen the plateau they face going through puberty. There are other factors that can be confedsate for the changes in female runners bought about by puberty. In response to the bodily changes that occur with female runners, the focus should be on improving aerobic endurance and strength to weight ratio. To achieve this, female runners facing puberty should incorporate extra strength training into their training regimen. This would help improve strength to weight ratio despite increased body fat. In addition, extra miliage or cross training can be incorporated into the athlete's training program to improve aerobic endurance. The good thing about puberty is that estrogen causes females' bones to become denser. This would allow them to run more volume with decreased suitability to bone injury. So take advantage of this! In addition, cross training also be a way to further aerobic development. However, the athete must increase her caloric intake appropriately in relvelence to her physical activity to prevent RED-S. Being in an excessive energy deficiet can lead to ammenohea, having severe consequences to an athlete's health such as reduced bone mass and decreased immunity. Remember an athlete's individual race weight is not at a weight so low that they are increasingly sick and injured! You must feel at your best to run at your fastest :)

Good for her. She likes a tough course. I recall in one of her interviews she stated. She missed the fun of running a race in her home town every year because it had a huge hill to climb. And that seemed to be her strength to "grind up the hill and fly down the other side".

Touhy now has the tools to be an Olympic road racing cyclist.

She's not the lithe, bird-boned runner you see populating lead packs.

Strong legs. Cyclist legs.

Cool, make a new start.

99% of females hit their peak distance running talent at ages 12-16.

That 1% are athletic waifs on into adulthood.

Touhy is no longer an athletic waif. She's an athlete who is now going to struggle more moving across the surface of the ground.

Get on a bike and use that power and torque.

Reg wrote:

Touhy now has the tools to be an Olympic road racing cyclist.

She's not the lithe, bird-boned runner you see populating lead packs.

Strong legs. Cyclist legs.

Cool, make a new start.

99% of females hit their peak distance running talent at ages 12-16.

That 1% are athletic waifs on into adulthood.

Touhy is no longer an athletic waif. She's an athlete who is now going to struggle more moving across the surface of the ground.

Get on a bike and use that power and torque.

How about triathlete! Really good swimmer runner cyclist. I wonder if she still doing a lot of cross training

Erm, maybe she could give these other sports a try but I doubt she's done with running. She ran 4:16 at the Raleigh Relays. Projects out pretty close to a lot of her PBs.

bumping bc lol.... he was right about both BYU & graduating early

sapphire1 wrote:

Or maybe she will graduate early from high school...who knows! But she is headed to BYU

referring to this !