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bfef wrote:
despite all those diet options wrote:
The downstream and feedback loop consequences of this fact must be DISASTROUS for population health.
1. Associated diseases: Diabetes, High Cholesterol, Heart Disease, back pain, etc.
2. Psychological effects: Low self-esteem, low romantic satisfaction, depression, isolation.
3. Lower physical ability: lower physical activity levels, less formal exercise, lower mobility.
I understand that Covid is the current concern, but after Covid I feel like there is no excuse for us as a nation to continue ignoring this fact. Scientists, doctors, politicians, and schools should all be talking about this. By numbers alone, this MUST be our biggest health issue as a country, right?
That's because most of the people (2/3 of them) writing the articles, and making all the rules and policies are also fat. It is literally a huge conspiracy of fat people.
Exactly. And if that number hits 3/4ths they'll be able to ratify new constitutional amendments and then it's all over
Our public health leadership is either inept, corrupt, or both. Since March last year, Dr. Fauci, the Surgeon General, and all the other official talking heads have had a golden opportunity to tell people, "Lose weight! It could save your life! You could be a role model for others to lose weight and save their lives! And, while we don't know definitely yet, vitamin D has shown a lot of promise in fighting COVID-19. Oh, and exercise. It will help boost the immune system and help you lose weight."
The fact that they knew this and still refused to urge people to take these simple steps is borderline criminal negligence.
X-Runner wrote:
Actually, 2/3 of Americans are average weight.
Actually not.
https://www.toledoblade.com/a-e/food/2015/06/23/70-of-Americans-overweight-or-obese-study-finds/stories/20150622306despite all those diet options wrote:
Diabetes is the new sexy wrote:
For sure dude, and it’s exactly why COVId has been such a big problem - morbidly obese are one of the highest risk groups for dying of COVId.
You have a solution? No one else seems to have one. People are addicted to food, food is cheap, they barely move during the day and being fat is acceptable. Not sure how to fix that, it’s depressing bro
I don't have a solution I just don't get it. We can't make food expensive, that would be wrong.
I have a gf. I want to be attractive to her. I want her to be attractive. If I was fat I wouldn't be attractive to her. If she was fat I would not be attracted to her.
If I was fat I'd have low self-esteem but I would know, for a fact, that losing weight would raise my self-esteem.
I see these blob people waddling around grocery stores, after parking as close to the store as possible, and realize this is the only walking they do bc it's hard. I just want to yell at them, "It wouldnt be so hard to walk if you didnt eat so much all the time!", but they already know that. Yet they waddle back to their car and have another Coke.
I don't remotely understand the psyche of 2/3 of people.
You are not very intelligent. You have so little awareness of humans that I feel much more sorry for you than the people you are mocking. You say if you were fat you would have low self esteem. Then you assert that you know, for a fact, that losing weight would raise your self esteem. You have such little understanding that I pity you. This is not how it works. Please educate your yourself as your ignorance is as dangerous as obesity.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.htmldespite all those diet options wrote:
The downstream and feedback loop consequences of this fact must be DISASTROUS for population health.
I understand that Covid is the current concern, but after Covid I feel like there is no excuse for us as a nation to continue ignoring this fact. Scientists, doctors, politicians, and schools should all be talking about this. By numbers alone, this MUST be our biggest health issue as a country, right?
And the virtue signallers telling you to stay home and wear a mask are the very same zealots who would have you arrested for 'fat shaming' someone.
Obesity has basically become a cost externality of the commodification of health and fitness and the transition of employment to desk jobs in expensive urban centers.
Over the past 50 years, the percentage of people working sedentary jobs has flipped from a minority to majority of the population. In that same time period, urban sprawl has made commute times double and triple for many people with families. A commute time of 20-30 min used to get you from the outer suburbs into the urban core in most cities 50 years ago. Today, you are lucky if you only have to spend 45 min in the car one way. Many people spend 90-120 min in the car every day just commuting. Add to that the fact that the workday is now 8-6 or longer for many overtime exempt white collar workers, and people simply have almost no time for exercise.
Then, you have healthy food and exercise being commodified. A healthy diet of lean meat, fish, vegetables, fruit and grains is expensive and time consuming if you cook. The work time crunch forces many people to rely on quick meals or fast food. Many people are simply priced out of eating well.
Finally, food has recently become a form of recreation. People have little time for themselves. Food then becomes a reward for suffering through a dismal day at work. People go out for lunch and gorge themselves or treat themselves to a big dinner/desert after a hard day.
Coevett wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.htmldespite all those diet options wrote:
The downstream and feedback loop consequences of this fact must be DISASTROUS for population health.
I understand that Covid is the current concern, but after Covid I feel like there is no excuse for us as a nation to continue ignoring this fact. Scientists, doctors, politicians, and schools should all be talking about this. By numbers alone, this MUST be our biggest health issue as a country, right?
And the virtue signallers telling you to stay home and wear a mask are the very same zealots who would have you arrested for 'fat shaming' someone.
Speaking of ignorance chiming in...
It simply comes down to technology and it’s impact our “work” culture. Go to Amish areas. Let me know how many fat people you see? I live in one and I’ve never seen a fat Amish person. They walk all day. Don’t sit front of a computer all day. As kids ride their bike or scooter to school. Also they eat more natural foods and not all the processed garbage that’s been pushed on us. With that they have incredibly low rate of cancer.
It’s not that America is lazy it’s just we’ve been conditioned to “work hard” at things that don’t benefit our health. Sitting at a desk is not working hard physically. Even blue collar jobs involve now sitting in a machine all day.
Dude, I've watched those amish reality shows, there was overweight people on there.
But bottom line this all capitalisms fault and the fix is the big scary thing called socialism where you would do things like have a heavy tax on unhealthy foods, provide subsidies for healthy foods etc... lots of creatives ways to improve peoples health. But nearly all of them fly in the face of consumerism which is what this great country is apparently built on. We gave up manufacturing and innovation and instead we get consumerism. Thats what the corporations want you to have so thats what you get. This isn't hard to understand.
Andy .S wrote:
X-Runner wrote:
Actually, 2/3 of Americans are average weight.
Actually not.
https://www.toledoblade.com/a-e/food/2015/06/23/70-of-Americans-overweight-or-obese-study-finds/stories/20150622306
I suspect that Runner X was making the point that there is a new normal. The new average weight may not be the ideal weight. It's sort of like Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average.
doubter wrote:
Dude, I've watched those amish reality shows, there was overweight people on there.
But bottom line this all capitalisms fault and the fix is the big scary thing called socialism where you would do things like have a heavy tax on unhealthy foods, provide subsidies for healthy foods etc... lots of creatives ways to improve peoples health. But nearly all of them fly in the face of consumerism which is what this great country is apparently built on. We gave up manufacturing and innovation and instead we get consumerism. Thats what the corporations want you to have so thats what you get. This isn't hard to understand.
You're right, not a lot of fatties in Venezuela. Just lol. I don't disagree, but don't delude yourself into thinking that capitalism and corporatism are the same thing.
Precious Roy wrote:
Obesity has basically become a cost externality of the commodification of health and fitness and the transition of employment to desk jobs in expensive urban centers.
Over the past 50 years, the percentage of people working sedentary jobs has flipped from a minority to majority of the population. In that same time period, urban sprawl has made commute times double and triple for many people with families. A commute time of 20-30 min used to get you from the outer suburbs into the urban core in most cities 50 years ago. Today, you are lucky if you only have to spend 45 min in the car one way. Many people spend 90-120 min in the car every day just commuting. Add to that the fact that the workday is now 8-6 or longer for many overtime exempt white collar workers, and people simply have almost no time for exercise.
Then, you have healthy food and exercise being commodified. A healthy diet of lean meat, fish, vegetables, fruit and grains is expensive and time consuming if you cook. The work time crunch forces many people to rely on quick meals or fast food. Many people are simply priced out of eating well.
Finally, food has recently become a form of recreation. People have little time for themselves. Food then becomes a reward for suffering through a dismal day at work. People go out for lunch and gorge themselves or treat themselves to a big dinner/desert after a hard day.
It is simply untrue that eating a reduced/modest number of calories is difficult for anyone in the US. Is eating JUST what any given nutritionist would recommend for 3 meals a day hard and time consuming and perhaps more expensive? Sure. That has little or nothing to do with eating less - whether it be to lose weight or keep it off. Hell, the fare at the average convenience store could support a defensible - and certainly low calorie - diet, for at least 2 meals a day. High fiber cereal, low fat white milk, low fat chocolate milk, orange juice, granola bars, a few vegetables and/or fruits, a grilled chicken sandwich, whole wheat bread, various nuts, etc. Gonna win any awards? No. An excuse for obesity? Absolutely not.
It's about willingness, mostly.
You guys are so jealous of elite athletes like Ragen.
https://haestruth.fandom.com/wiki/Ragen_Chastain?file=Ragen_Chastain.jpg
Klown wrote:
Coevett wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.htmlAnd the virtue signallers telling you to stay home and wear a mask are the very same zealots who would have you arrested for 'fat shaming' someone.
Speaking of ignorance chiming in...
Well explain that to me. Why is it right and virtuous to shame somebody for not wearing a mask but wrong and evil to shame somebody for not being able to stay off the pizzas and fries?
Coevett wrote:
Klown wrote:
Speaking of ignorance chiming in...
Well explain that to me. Why is it right and virtuous to shame somebody for not wearing a mask but wrong and evil to shame somebody for not being able to stay off the pizzas and fries?
OK so what is your obsession with shaming anyone? I do not approve anyone shaming you for the fact that you apparently do not care enough about others to wear a mask. But your big gut does not directly impact my health. You not wearing a mask could. But I do not approve of shaming people generally.
Ehh, thats what everyone keeps telling me what it is. If you say you are anti corporate you are anti capitalist. Its sort of like how people get mad about illegal immigrants but don't give 2 sh!its that the only reason they are coming here is that large corporations are giving them jobs. When was the last time you heard a politician talking about going after the corporations employing the immigrants rather than punishing them for coming here? Just like here we will blame all the folks who are overweight but the corporations that do everything in their power to brainwash folks into stuffing their faces is totally fine. And if you talk about these things you are a socialist or communist.
CrispyChicken wrote:
Andy .S wrote:
Actually not.
https://www.toledoblade.com/a-e/food/2015/06/23/70-of-Americans-overweight-or-obese-study-finds/stories/20150622306I suspect that Runner X was making the point that there is a new normal. The new average weight may not be the ideal weight. It's sort of like Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average.
Yeah. As the average weight of people increases, the amount of people that are average stays the same.
America's fury wrote:
Easy times makes soft people.
Look at any random picture of people 30-40 years ago. They all look like runners!
Here is a random pic I pulled up when I Googled Americans in 1985:
https://theseamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/12-27scans0000058A.jpgX-Runner wrote:
America's fury wrote:
Easy times makes soft people.
Look at any random picture of people 30-40 years ago. They all look like runners!
Here is a random pic I pulled up when I Googled Americans in 1985:
https://theseamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/12-27scans0000058A.jpg
Average 5K time of the four?
.....but .yeah, I guess that "drug skinny" is a much better guess than "high mileage" skinny !!
