clarissa wrote:
Australia has always been a backwards country.
Not world-leading like the US, which has had more Covid deaths than any other country by far. So much winning.
clarissa wrote:
Australia has always been a backwards country.
Not world-leading like the US, which has had more Covid deaths than any other country by far. So much winning.
Armstronglivs wrote:
well wrote:
The minute I saw this thread title I knew you would get a bunch of Kiwis and Aussies running in to defend their countries at all costs.
Both countries, but Kiwis more so, are incapable of criticizing their country for any reason and will not admit that their country is not superior in any facet of life. Americans spend most of their time and energy criticizing other Americans or their countries history.
New Zealand, more than the United States, China, Russia,etc, is the most jingoistic country on earth augmented by a severe case of Napoleon complex.
NZ is so bent on dominating the world. Actually, we would rather the rest of the world would stay away, so life can go on here much as normal. But tell me again how well you've been handling things, with half a million dead and 20% of the world's casualties.
Notice how the thread is actually about New Zealand’s & Australia’s sub par vaccine rollout where they are being outpaced by Nepal, Sri Lanka, Peru, Seychelles & Barbados but it has somehow devolved into a massive deflection where a bunch of Kiwis and Aussies point to how horrible the US is at handling COVID.
You guys would fit right into the political landscape here in the US with the constant tribalism and “whataboutisms” .
NZ & Australia are two of the wealthiest countries in the world but somehow they were just able to start vaccinations two days ago while the US has vaccinated 60 million people and countries like Seychelles are over 60,000. You can play “what about” all you want but this is a terrible showing by Australia and New Zealand.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
NZ is so bent on dominating the world. Actually, we would rather the rest of the world would stay away, so life can go on here much as normal. But tell me again how well you've been handling things, with half a million dead and 20% of the world's casualties.
Notice how the thread is actually about New Zealand’s & Australia’s sub par vaccine rollout where they are being outpaced by Nepal, Sri Lanka, Peru, Seychelles & Barbados but it has somehow devolved into a massive deflection where a bunch of Kiwis and Aussies point to how horrible the US is at handling COVID.
You guys would fit right into the political landscape here in the US with the constant tribalism and “whataboutisms” .
NZ & Australia are two of the wealthiest countries in the world but somehow they were just able to start vaccinations two days ago while the US has vaccinated 60 million people and countries like Seychelles are over 60,000. You can play “what about” all you want but this is a terrible showing by Australia and New Zealand.
I think Australian and NZ could and should have rolled out their vaccine faster, but they have been rather honest with their approach from the start: they don't have a big corona problem, so they were not going to rush through the regulatory issues as much as other countries, where it was more important to get emergency approval.
Australia started vaccinating yesterday. We can hope that with this extra time, ANZ have been putting together robust vaccination systems that will mean they can catch up soon. Will this happen? Only time will tell...
When things go back to normal and people travel again if New Zealand people aren't vaccinated they'll just get crushed again. If it only takes one person to make it spread across the country if no one's vaccinated. They'll have to do another lockdown to crush it while everyone else is living normal lives
This is not a unique concern. NZ is fortunate that they are an island that can isolate itself from rest of the world. However, they have to get the vaccines out faster because if COVID does infiltrate NZ with their lack of herd immunity and vaccination it could get very ugly very quickly.
NZ has to import all of the mRNA vaccines. That put them towards the back of the line compared to countries that had production facilities ready to go when the vaccines were approved. That is the only reason for delay. NZ has purchased enough vaccine to cover everyone in the country for free. There vaccine roll out has been very well thought out and organized with front line border protection workers and health care workers getting the first doses. NZ will probably be caught up with the US by summer in terms of vaccine coverage.
Australia just started vaccinating people today. The biggest issue with the Australia / New Zealand policy is if no cases or deaths is the standard they are upholding, there is no end to the border crackdown, as a chunk of the population will resist getting vaccinated. Since practically none of their population has naturally acquired immunity, they will not be able to open their borders until the entirety of their population has been vaccinated (which will take many months longer than the US because they are part of a collective of nations including third world countries that are getting subsidized vaccines). The west has bought up all the vaccine supply (since they did most of the research and development, this is probably justified).
The question is will Australia and New Zealand shut down again if cases and deaths kick back up (as they will since there is almost no immunity in their nation). The real debate isn't between whether Australia / New Zealand have a better approach than the US / EU, but whether their approach is better than no approach in a place like South Dakota or Nebraska. Both those states acquired little no new debt and had unemployment remain flat or drop between 2019 and 2020.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/south-dakota-state-unemployment-low-noem
Why does it matter than NZ and Australia haven't vaccinated at the same rate at every other country? They've been fine to have closed borders and trade domestically for the past eleven months. I dare say they'll be among the last developed nations to allow overseas tourism, and good on them.
With no deaths from Covid in either country for many months, I think their vaccination strategy is absolutely fine.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.htmlAustralia and New Zealand were often held up as the poster children on how to handle COVID-19, so when I looked at the COVID vaccine global tracker from The New York Times I expected them to be well in there way to vaccinating the majority of their population. However, when I actually looked at the numbers, it appears both Australia and New Zealand have vaccinated a grand total of 0 of its citizens.
How is it possible that countries that have taken COVID so seriously over the past year have so colossally dropped the ball in this major piece of the COVID puzzle? I know the retort will be “well we don’t have COVID here so we don’t need the vaccine” but I would think both Australia and New Zealand would want to rejoin the world at some point.
Obviously Trump made them start from scratch and no real plan was in place when he left office.
Because NZ and Australia have been so successful in preventing COVID, they have been at the bottom of the priority list for vaccine shipments. Pfizer and Moderna have shipped most of their initial production to the countries with the highest numbers of cases and most at risk population. As vaccine production continues to ramp up NZ and Australia will get the doses they need to vaccinate their populations.
Armstronglivs wrote:
wgw4gw4g wrote:
You only feel validated when you insult others.
As if you were any better than the Americans you insult.
I rest my case.
I am not American.
And you are not very bright.
wgw4gw4g wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I rest my case.
I am not American.
And you are not very bright.
America doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity - just more of it. You would be at home there.
This thread asks about how Australia and NZ is doing such a terrible job of vaccinating its population. That the thread assumes they are one country shows the depth of insight conveyed in the question - and many of the following comments.
Oh look, people from countries with failed pandemic responses are desperate to tear NZ and Australia down again. The vaccine roll-out is happening exactly as it was planned.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.htmlAustralia and New Zealand were often held up as the poster children on how to handle COVID-19, so when I looked at the COVID vaccine global tracker from The New York Times I expected them to be well in there way to vaccinating the majority of their population. However, when I actually looked at the numbers, it appears both Australia and New Zealand have vaccinated a grand total of 0 of its citizens.
How is it possible that countries that have taken COVID so seriously over the past year have so colossally dropped the ball in this major piece of the COVID puzzle? I know the retort will be “well we don’t have COVID here so we don’t need the vaccine” but I would think both Australia and New Zealand would want to rejoin the world at some point.
Stop pushing the vaccine on everyone commie.
It’s a plandemic.
dullard wrote:
Oh look, people from countries with failed pandemic responses are desperate to tear NZ and Australia down again. The vaccine roll-out is happening exactly as it was planned.
The plan was to be the last first world country to get its populace vaccinated? That's a terrible plan.
kiwi colored glasses wrote:
dullard wrote:
Oh look, people from countries with failed pandemic responses are desperate to tear NZ and Australia down again. The vaccine roll-out is happening exactly as it was planned.
The plan was to be the last first world country to get its populace vaccinated? That's a terrible plan.
Australia hasn't had a single Covid death since October 28, and NZ's last death from Covid death was at the beginning of September. There is no need to rush the vaccine, both countries have generously out themselves at the back of the line. Their plans are foolproof.
At the crux of all of this is the assumption that these vaccines (which btw the CDC has cautioned are not vaccines in the way that a vast majority of people believe are vaccines), which despite being the most important "vaccine" of the last half century were developed in like 8 months, actually are effective in stopping this.
I'm not an anti-vaxer, I've had them all (MMR, chicken pox, small pox, typhoid, you name it) - but the truth is that we really won't know how effective this is/was for at least another 6-8 months and we also don't know what long term side effects these have (because they were developed in 8 months).
Maybe NZers and Australians aren't just so quick to subscribe to anything and everything they are force fed out of panic and fear. I dunno, just a thought.
kiwi colored glasses wrote:
dullard wrote:
Oh look, people from countries with failed pandemic responses are desperate to tear NZ and Australia down again. The vaccine roll-out is happening exactly as it was planned.
The plan was to be the last first world country to get its populace vaccinated? That's a terrible plan.
Why the panic?
COVID barely exists in those countries.
America and UK massive failures. Australia and NZ great success.
Trying to spin it any other way makes you look stupid.
Armstronglivs wrote:
wgw4gw4g wrote:
I am not American.
And you are not very bright.
America doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity - just more of it. You would be at home there.
Ah yes, the usual insults, immature as they may be.
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