How is Australia and New Zealand doing such a terrible job of vaccinating its population?

Yeah, when the rest of the world gets its shtt together, they'll rejoin them.

Honestly the populations of Aus and NZ are trivial. NZ has less people than Maryland. And virtually no Covid-19.

And maybe they didn't want to pay top dollar for something they can get later cheaper (when the inevitable oversupply happens).

DuffMan wrote:

Yeah, when the rest of the world gets its shtt together, they'll rejoin them.

Honestly the populations of Aus and NZ are trivial. NZ has less people than Maryland. And virtually no Covid-19.

And maybe they didn't want to pay top dollar for something they can get later cheaper (when the inevitable oversupply happens).

Yes, it’s the rest of the world that’s the issue. There’s no way Australia and New Zealand could simply be underperforming when it comes to vaccines. I mean hell, Seychelles was able to vaccinate 60,000 people.

NZ& Australia are lightly populated compared to countries like the US and China. But at the current vaccination rate of 0 people those lightly populated countries have a hell of a ways to go- if they ever get to herd immunity.

NZ, an essentially socialist country, is going to suddenly penny pinch now? During a once in a century pandemic. Seems like a weird time to be fiscally responsible. The United States has been spending like drunken sailors for years but at least we’re being consistent with that during our vaccination roll out.

this is ironic

when you have virtually no cases you are less dependant on needing the vaccine urgently lol.

no wonder america and the uk are screwed. idiots

I don’t think you know what socialist means. RE spending: NZ typically runs a balanced budget. They’re overspending now due to the loss of tourism, but they’ll be back in the black next year.

Well, that last bit is absurd...

New Zealand has an advanced market economy,[205] ranked 14th in the 2019 Human Development Index[9] and third in the 2020 Index of Economic Freedom.[206] It is a high-income economy with a nominal gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of US$36,254.[7] The currency is the New Zealand dollar, informally known as the "Kiwi dollar"; it also circulates in the Cook Islands (see Cook Islands dollar), Niue, Tokelau, and the Pitcairn Islands.[207]

And honestly beyond the US and the UK (17-25 per hundred) and a few low population countries, nobody has rolled out much vaccine yet. 0-1 out 100 citizens is not much different that the EU at 4-ish per 100.

Particularly when you factor in...they don't have a pandemic crisis in progress.

Vaccinations have begun for front-line workers, and will be shortly underway for the aged and vulnerable. This is in a country that has had only 26 Covid deaths and in which community transmission has been successfully suppressed. NZ has so "colossally dropped the ball" - you mean like the country that has had half a million deaths and over 20% of the world's total? I like to read threads like this to remind me of how average intelligence is falling daily in the most "advanced" nation in the world.

This board has a bunch of New Zealand and Australia apologists/nationalists who are very quick to point out when either country does something well and will defend the countries tooth and nail if they do something poorly.

Obviously, the vaccine rollout in both countries has been abysmal. Both countries just started rolling out the vaccine late last week. Some very poor and small countries have already administered 100,000+ COVID shots while a wealthy first world country like Australia just started rolling out the vaccine in its country a few days ago (while protests were raging-link below).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56137597

But of course you'll get the Aussie or Kiwi nationalists deflecting from their leadships' poor performance in the vaccination rollout by trying to shift any kind COVID deficiencies to places like the United States, who can basically rolllout enough vaccinations to inoculate the entire population of New Zealand in less than a week.

Incorrect. Americans are so defensive, like a toddler whose mommy is the best mommy and no other mommies are even good. Grow up, the reality is NZ/Aus didn’t approve a vaccine until recently.

Given how poorly the US/EU/RU etc have handy the virus, I wouldn’t trust their approval either.

What's the rush to vaccinate when the country is Covid free?

Of course, it would be nice if it was done quicker, but there's literally zero reason to rush the process when Australia or NZ won't be opening their borders to the outside world (aside from the Pacific islands) anytime soon- and both countries are free from the virus.

If only you had shown the same urgency a year ago. You wouldn't have had half a million dead from Covid. But keep bragging about how well you're doing.

Unless and until they get everybody vaccinated, they wont have any tourism.

As I went to work today np student in our school of 1500 were required to wear a mask. The hasn't been a locally transmitted case in my city of 400,000 since June. Our first front line nurse was vaccinated today and the country us hoping everyone who wants the vaccine to have it by October.

Australia has had around 28,500 cases and 909 tragic deaths out of a country of 26 million. Go ahead and compare that to any state in the US. It is rather eye opening. Good luck stay safe and if you can race fast.

John Talker wrote:

I come from a land down under wrote:

I don’t think you know what socialist means. RE spending: NZ typically runs a balanced budget. They’re overspending now due to the loss of tourism, but they’ll be back in the black next year.

Unless and until they get everybody vaccinated, they wont have any tourism.

Most of us are feeling quite relieved that there are no Americans coming to our shores. And our jobs are back at the level we were before the pandemic. We aren't missing the rest of the world.

We will all be vaccinated in due course - but unlike America we're not in the depths of the worst health crisis in a century, so it isn't such a matter of urgency for us. Enjoy your world-leading.

It is a legitimate question. The federal government here have been a bit incompetent and only recently got the vaccines and shipments of it from the EU approved. They could have been quicker for sure. On the flip side the state governments are completely in control and have eliminated it so they are right to be patient and wait to see how each vaccine goes elsewhere and what dosages / schedules etc. I mean Israel is a great Phase 4 trial study that we now know how to vaccinate most effectively. And the rest of the world needs to get vaccinated before we let anyone visit or any of us would want to visit anywhere.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Vaccinations have begun for front-line workers, and will be shortly underway for the aged and vulnerable. This is in a country that has had only 26 Covid deaths and in which community transmission has been successfully suppressed. NZ has so "colossally dropped the ball" - you mean like the country that has had half a million deaths and over 20% of the world's total? I like to read threads like this to remind me of how average intelligence is falling daily in the most "advanced" nation in the world.

You only feel validated when you insult others.

As if you were any better than the Americans you insult.

Australia has always been a backwards country.

The minute I saw this thread title I knew you would get a bunch of Kiwis and Aussies running in to defend their countries at all costs.

Both countries, but Kiwis more so, are incapable of criticizing their country for any reason and will not admit that their country is not superior in any facet of life. Americans spend most of their time and energy criticizing other Americans or their countries history.

New Zealand, more than the United States, China, Russia,etc, is the most jingoistic country on earth augmented by a severe case of Napoleon complex.

well wrote:

The minute I saw this thread title I knew you would get a bunch of Kiwis and Aussies running in to defend their countries at all costs.

Both countries, but Kiwis more so, are incapable of criticizing their country for any reason and will not admit that their country is not superior in any facet of life. Americans spend most of their time and energy criticizing other Americans or their countries history.

New Zealand, more than the United States, China, Russia,etc, is the most jingoistic country on earth augmented by a severe case of Napoleon complex.

NZ is so bent on dominating the world. Actually, we would rather the rest of the world would stay away, so life can go on here much as normal. But tell me again how well you've been handling things, with half a million dead and 20% of the world's casualties.

wgw4gw4g wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Vaccinations have begun for front-line workers, and will be shortly underway for the aged and vulnerable. This is in a country that has had only 26 Covid deaths and in which community transmission has been successfully suppressed. NZ has so "colossally dropped the ball" - you mean like the country that has had half a million deaths and over 20% of the world's total? I like to read threads like this to remind me of how average intelligence is falling daily in the most "advanced" nation in the world.

You only feel validated when you insult others.

As if you were any better than the Americans you insult.

I rest my case.