THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN SHOOTOUT!

Vaughn won't be running. He has stress syndrome and is not running outside the pool. Schoolmeester is the CU man. Look for him and whoever else wants to go for sub 24:40 to be in the front on saturday.

colorado with their top guy hurt? naaaah. come on. you're pulling our legs.

electric boogaloo wrote:

colorado with their top guy hurt? naaaah. come on. you're pulling our legs.

Yeah, go figure - a top Colorado guy hurt. Or a top collegiate runner hurt. Or a top world class runner hurt? When are people like you going to realize that just as you get hurt when you're pushing the envelope, everyone gets hurt. That's part of our sport!

And CU did win both men's and women's titles last year in a pretty healthy year for them, so...what's your point? Are you trying to refer to Adam Goucher (who won a NCAA XC title)? Or Dathan Ritznehein (who won a NCAA XC title)? These guys have obviously been hurt a bunch (Goucher mainly post-collegiately), but they also did OK @ CU, I seem to recall.

BDG

what is the course record for the mens 8k at the shootout. Does Goucher still have it at like 24:12 or sttm, or does ritz or Jorge have it now?

I believe Jorge broke it and went like 23:5X or something. Pretty sure he broke 24 on it, but I could be thinking of a different course?

Either way, Bret should be able to win the individual award. But last year, Christiansen won it in an upset over Vaughn so anything is possible. CU isn't exactly peaking for the Shootout. Look for Pifer, Harkrader, Strang, Nelson and several other guys to be in the top ten, and look for a fast time from freshman Bobby Papazian formerly of NJ.

What time is the men's race on Saturday?

"Yeah, go figure - a top Colorado guy hurt. Or a top collegiate runner hurt. Or a top world class runner hurt? When are people like you going to realize that just as you get hurt when you're pushing the envelope, everyone gets hurt. That's part of our sport!"

-gotta give it to them- at least they're consistent with the injuries. i'll have to respectfully disagree- injuries do not have to be "part of our sport". would you rather never make it to the starting line, spend every other 8 weeks in the swimming pool, and run 4.12 at the end of your career because of injuries procured from overtraining- OR - would you rather run 4.05 and actually consistently race week in and week out without injuries?

Western State and Adams regularly go to the Shootout, if my memory serves me.

BDG - nice run on Sunday.

1. Schoolmeester---CU

2. Nelson---CU

3. Solis---ASC

4. Macias---ASC

5. Christianson---WSC

6. Bodor---WSC

7. Martinez---ASC

8. Pifer---CU

9. Donnan---WSC

10. Batliner---CU

11. Harkrader---CU

12. Yorek---ASC

13. Pannone---CU

14. Strang---CU

15. Osman---ASC

Something like this.

What's a good time for that course. I've heard it's very tough. Like 25:30?

I think the winner is going to be like 24:30. I also don't think that there will be too much of a gap in between each man. Probably no more than 3-4 seconds per man.

so if the winner runs 24:30-ish and he's a 13:30-40 kinda guy then 25:30 is probably not bad right? How's this course

It's relatively flat, but there is a good size hill in the first mile, and that same hill again at mile 4. Also, it's 5000 feet of altitude.

I was a "13:40 kinda guy" when I was racing and I could only manage in the 25:20's on that damn course.

I'd say 25:30 on this course is pretty good, it got you all Big XII (top 15) last time the conference meet was there. Probably worth 24:30 - 24:45 on a similar course at sea level in my opinion.

I think CU (and Mark in particular) gets picked on unjustly over the injuries. Do we really wound more people than other teams of equal stature and caliber?

electric boogaloo wrote:

colorado with their top guy hurt? naaaah. come on. you're pulling our legs.

it certainly seems uncanny that way. i was a vigilante and we certainly didn't seem to have near the number of injuries that come out of boulder. we were at higher altitude- so i don't think that's it. we did high mileage- i don't think that's it either. just really hate to see it. of course, dr. joe really knew how to tweak us just right.

yes, more than most.