figgo wrote:
yes, as soon as it's explained how 'excess deaths' in 2020 were calculated relative to previous years
primary source, cdc methodology only please
Looking at the raw number of weekly deaths over the past few years, no reasonable person can doubt that 2020 was an enormous outlier.
https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/usWeeklyAllCauseDeaths.pngIf U believe the numbers brought to us by the same people pushing fear for the past 12 months.
The Unkle wrote:
If U believe the numbers brought to us by the same people pushing fear for the past 12 months.
I thought the oligarchs were too busy working on space lasers.
trashcan wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
Yes.
if a guy had been suffering with dementia for years and going downhill -- or cancer, heart disease, etc, -- and dies it is not a legit Covid death. It is dying "with" Covid (oft presumed Covid).
Forget Covid for the moment. Stick with aortic aneurysm rupture. Early onset Alzheimer’s AA rupture. Why does it make sense to attribute it to Alzheimer’s?
All the celebs that people provided to me as examples of Covid deaths -- all of them -- were dying of cancer or dementia and body dementia long before Covid arrives. Except one who died of a heart attack after getting Covid -- which of course was called a Covid death
WTF does an aneurysm have to do with this? An aneurysm usually kills, Covid does not. Terrible analogy
The Unkle wrote:
All the celebs that people provided to me as examples of Covid deaths -- all of them -- were dying of cancer or dementia and body dementia long before Covid arrives. Except one who died of a heart attack after getting Covid -- which of course was called a Covid death
WTF does an aneurysm have to do with this? An aneurysm usually kills, Covid does not. Terrible analogy
Allen53 and Dunes Runner are both presumed COVID deaths, if that hits closer to home.
Harambe wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
If U believe the numbers brought to us by the same people pushing fear for the past 12 months.
I thought the oligarchs were too busy working on space lasers.
What is this space lasers stuff you Covid Believers keep bringing up and what does it have to do with your blind obedience to the "authorities"?
Harambe wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
All the celebs that people provided to me as examples of Covid deaths -- all of them -- were dying of cancer or dementia and body dementia long before Covid arrives. Except one who died of a heart attack after getting Covid -- which of course was called a Covid death
WTF does an aneurysm have to do with this? An aneurysm usually kills, Covid does not. Terrible analogy
Allen53 and Dunes Runner are both presumed COVID deaths, if that hits closer to home.
The master of deflection.
Nobody can point to one known public person who actually died from Covid.
Doesn't this tell you anything?
So youhave reversed your position and are now saying you would attribute the death to the aneurysm, because an aneurysm usually kills you. At what percent probability of death do you stop attributing the death to the acute event and start attributing it to the predisposing factor? How do you choose which predisposing factor to attribute the death ? Imagine coming up with the system for assigning death before Covid came around. Describe a system that would work better than the current one and explain why it would be better without referencing Covid.
My argument is that there is a well established system that has served the public for years. You are currently stating that deaths attributed to Covid using this system are misattributions. I think that even post-hoc setting up a system to minimize deaths attributed to Covid in a way that otherwise least disrupts the system, you will be unable to avoid problems of logic, or good medical or public policy outside the realm of Covid.
trashcan wrote:
55YO wrote:
Not debunked. Whined about, maybe, but not debunked.
Previously on the thread I demonstrated that Misattribution cannot explain a large percentage of Covid deaths. I can do the math again if you ask.
Note: misattribution goes in both directions, and there is no clear evidence about the direction the (relatively small) net error is in.
I am not going to argue with a guy who calls himself a trash can. You know your worth.
trashcan wrote:
So youhave reversed your position and are now saying you would attribute the death to the aneurysm, because an aneurysm usually kills you. At what percent probability of death do you stop attributing the death to the acute event and start attributing it to the predisposing factor? How do you choose which predisposing factor to attribute the death ? Imagine coming up with the system for assigning death before Covid came around. Describe a system that would work better than the current one and explain why it would be better without referencing Covid.
My argument is that there is a well established system that has served the public for years. You are currently stating that deaths attributed to Covid using this system are misattributions. I think that even post-hoc setting up a system to minimize deaths attributed to Covid in a way that otherwise least disrupts the system, you will be unable to avoid problems of logic, or good medical or public policy outside the realm of Covid.
What in God's name are you on about? Scary glimpse into your "thought" processes
I am saying that you want to rewrite the rules to minimize the number of deaths attributed to Covid.
I am saying that even if this were allowed your rules would obviously fail in a general level.
I am giving you a chance to prove me wrong by showing me rules that minimize Covid deaths and make sense generally.
j6dym wrote:
Harambe/2600 bro you are obviously the same guy. You should try not always posting within 1-3 minutes of "each other".
And patting each other on the back.
55YO wrote:
trashcan wrote:
Previously on the thread I demonstrated that Misattribution cannot explain a large percentage of Covid deaths. I can do the math again if you ask.
Note: misattribution goes in both directions, and there is no clear evidence about the direction the (relatively small) net error is in.
I am not going to argue with a guy who calls himself a trash can. You know your worth.
Cool, I get last word. I think the problem is not my handle, but rather your inability to logically counter the math.
The Unkle wrote:
I say we ban Harambe and 2600 cause I disagree with them
And they post too often.
And because this is a running website.
And because their ideas are dangerous
These threads are all they post on, so it would make sense to ban these bots.
Uncle is just a very persistent troll. They never actually engage with rhetoric or data, just broad concepts and the accuse you of "trusting the the powers" and change the subject. Just poke fun - no need to reason with.
trashcan wrote:
So youhave reversed your position and are now saying you would attribute the death to the aneurysm, because an aneurysm usually kills you. At what percent probability of death do you stop attributing the death to the acute event and start attributing it to the predisposing factor? How do you choose which predisposing factor to attribute the death ? Imagine coming up with the system for assigning death before Covid came around. Describe a system that would work better than the current one and explain why it would be better without referencing Covid.
My argument is that there is a well established system that has served the public for years. You are currently stating that deaths attributed to Covid using this system are misattributions. I think that even post-hoc setting up a system to minimize deaths attributed to Covid in a way that otherwise least disrupts the system, you will be unable to avoid problems of logic, or good medical or public policy outside the realm of Covid.
LRC is going to ban 55+ boomers before they ban anyone else. Be careful!
55YO wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
I say we ban Harambe and 2600 cause I disagree with them
And they post too often.
And because this is a running website.
And because their ideas are dangerous
These threads are all they post on, so it would make sense to ban these bots.
500k Americans allegedly have died with Covid.
Not from it.
Dunno why anyone is still arguing about this.
Just go thru the list of celebs who are on this list.
Not one of them clearly died of Covid.
Not one
2600 bro wrote:
LRC is going to ban 55+ boomers before they ban anyone else. Be careful!
55YO wrote:
These threads are all they post on, so it would make sense to ban these bots.
And nobody has answered 2600's question yet. At least 2 trolls just left this thread when faced with that task....
2600 bro wrote:
Uncle is just a very persistent troll. They never actually engage with rhetoric or data, just broad concepts and the accuse you of "trusting the the powers" and change the subject. Just poke fun - no need to reason with.
CORRECT! And the best way to handle a troll is not to feed it.
The Unkle wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Allen53 and Dunes Runner are both presumed COVID deaths, if that hits closer to home.
The master of deflection.
Nobody can point to one known public person who actually died from Covid.
Doesn't this tell you anything?
Course they can
3 people in my neighborhood died of covid. And many more got sick
We also had the prime minister of the Gb almost succumbing.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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