Does a Tom.Brady Super Bowl victory elevate him into discussion of greatest ever.

Lemme Tell You Something wrote:

No. Eli Manning whipped him twice in the Super Bowl, so obviously Eli’s better. Maybe Brady’s among the second tier greats.

Trent Dilfer has one ring. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, Phillip Rivers, and Warren Moon do not have any. Brett Favre and Steve Young have one each.

Therefore, Dilfer was as good as Favre and Young and better than Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton, Fouts, Rivers, and Moon.

coach gertrude wrote:

Of course you have Joe Montana, Johnny U , Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath as the greatest of all time. Would a win today allow Tom to join that select group? Or does he need more?

Brady was already the best ever...by a LOT. Now that is just even more solidified. He says he's not done, so buckle up.

This is an incredibly unknowable conversation and debate. You have to judge QBs by the era in which they played. It's a good let's get drunk and talk convo as long as the people you're talking to know football and NFL history.

StevePrefonDead wrote:

This is an incredibly unknowable conversation and debate. You have to judge QBs by the era in which they played. It's a good let's get drunk and talk convo as long as the people you're talking to know football and NFL history.

When you have 7 Super Bowl wins including this last team that was 7-9 last year, it's time to say he's the best ever. He just threw three touchdowns in a game in which he hardly needed to throw the last quarter. He leaves New England and they suck. He arrives at Tampa Bay and they go from sucking to Super Bowl champs.

He's the best quarterback of his era. He is head and shoulders better than any quarterback of his era. He is dominant in his era in a way that no other quarterback in a different era was.

He has shown hardly have degradation in his play at age 43. If he is ever found to be doping or doing something illegal like that to help that, I will take it all back. Until then...

...he's the best ever.

The last gasp was "well it was all bc of the Coach.".....

He has won SB with two teams, with various personnel with or without great downfield receivers, etc.

He simply reads the defense and puts the ball where it needs to go and doesn't crack under pressure.

GOAT.

Alan

I think the only thing that could possibly take Brady down a notch is to argue that he's playing in an era where the rules protect QBs. Defenses can no longer play to take a QBs head off without risking crushing penalties. It's definitely extended Brady's career. The old timers had to suffer nasty hits.

Although along the way Brady was invoked in some cheating and the refs also give him a helping hand....at this point a begrudgingly must say he is the ?. I am a lifelong Steelers fan so it wasn’t easy to admit but he is the best. Although last night, the MVP should have gone to Todd Bowles. The defense won that game not Brady.

Namath?

This argument is a joke.

The Patriots were bad last year with Brady, he was 4-5 in his last 9 games with them, including a first round playoff loss. He did not make anyone better and he knows it, that is why he left, he needs other guys to make him look good and he needs his ego massaged.

Tampa Bay last year was 7-9 with a QB who turned the ball over 40 times including fumbles, not hard to improve on that, they had the best rush defense in the league and the 3rd best offense in the league even with the 30 INT's by the QB, who threw for 5000 yds in spite of that number. Then add Fournette, Gronk, AB (rapist) Wirfs, Winfield and the old and immobile QB who is overrated and inconsistent as heck these days and there you go.

The defense for TB was the real MVP, they are fast and tough and shut down GB and KC, didn't hurt that both teams suffered key losses to their offensive lines before the TB games.

Then you have the refs giving Brady the benefit of the doubt on every play, pass interference calls last night against KC were a joke, both balls were uncatchable, typical Brady over throws. That game was fixed if ever a game was, a superbowl record for penalty yards against KC in the first half, what a joke.

Brady is declining, much more inconsistent on his throws, needs great receivers to make great catches. But, his decline is not as obvious as many because he is such a mediocre athlete, he can't slow down because he can't move to begin with, good offensive line protection and he can stand there all night and make inconsistent passes with the best of them.

Hey, just get in line for his ESPN movie produced by his production company, gee I wonder how he will look in that? TB loves himself like no other.

1) The greatest quarterback of all time does NOT require him to be the greatest athlete at that position.

2) You say he can't move to begin with. Ok...maybe he plays until he's 50 then, because 4600 yards and 40 touchdowns this regular season plus a Super Bowl win and Super Bowl MVP says he can do just fine with the tools he has.

3) He was 21-29 last night with three touchdowns. Inconsistent? Come on. He's the best ever and still great today.

4) What quarterback DOESN'T need offensive line protection?

5) How much Tom Brady does or doesn't love himself is not an issue and has no bearing on the fact that he's the greatest QB of all time. Seems to me you are letting your personal opinions of him get in the way of objective truth.

There is no argument. Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. No one else is even close.

Actually, it ends the discussion.

He’s been the GOAT since he beat Atlanta. Go to jail.

DeBron Lames wrote:

Best modern day QBs based on championships and MVP awards:

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Joe Montana

Brett Favre

Aaron Rodgers

John Elway

Drew Brees

Dan Marino

Man this is just the best QBs of all time list lmao.

Where is AL Bundy on that list?

10/10

People took the bait are the same who give their bank accounts away over those phone lottery scams.

To not include Bart Starr as at least equal to Brady is foolish. He won 5 championships in 7 years including the first 2 SBs. His teams were very run focused on top it. He also played in an era where players were allowed to almost literally rip your head off without repercussion. Also, their PPE was straight garbage back then compared to now. Unless I completely missed it, I didn’t see one person mention him.

Joe Theisman

Boomer Esiason

Bert Jones

Jim Everett

Vince Ferragamo

These were the best NFL QBs ever. Apparently you guys just don’t know very much about football.

Lemme Tell You Something wrote:

coach gertrude wrote:

Of course you have Joe Montana, Johnny U , Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath as the greatest of all time. Would a win today allow Tom to join that select group? Or does he need more?

No. Eli Manning whipped him twice in the Super Bowl, so obviously Eli’s better. Maybe Brady’s among the second tier greats.

You may have post in jest, but if someone goes back and watches Tom Brady v. Eli Manning, no question who was the superior QB. Peak E. Manning was more mobile within the pocket. Peak E. Manning had faster 40 yard dash sprinting speed. Peak E. Manning was physically stronger. Peak E. Manning had a stronger throwing arm. When it counted, peak E. Manning beat Tom Brady x 2 in Superbowl.

DeBron Lames wrote:

Best modern day QBs based on championships and MVP awards:

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Joe Montana

Brett Favre

Aaron Rodgers

John Elway

Drew Brees

Dan Marino

Well done. I could nitpick the order in a couple of places, but this is an excellent list.