Marilyn Manson cancelled

Woke up, fell out of bed wrote:

Star wrote:

You know, John Lennon used to be cruel to his woman. He beat her kept her apart from the things that she loved.

Man, he was mean.

Yeah but he changed his scene and was doing the best that he can. I've got to admit, he was doing better.

A little better. All the time.

(it can't get no worse)

You are entitled to due process in a court of law, not in society at large. The allegations against Manson make Harvey Weinstein look like a gentleman. Why in the world would any business have any obligation to maintain its relationship with Manson after all of this has come out?

Should these businesses be required to keep doing business with him until his case was heard in court of law? Manson has always been a risk because his act is all about shocking people and pushing boundaries of decency. He always defended himself on free speech grounds and claimed that it was just an act. Well, that is now a whole lot more difficult to pull off now that these allegations are out.

I get it that #metoo has been marred with instances of people getting throw out without any regard for the circumstances surrounding the allegations or the gravity of the claims. Al Franken lost a Senate seat because of inappropriate conduct with women that occurred back when he was a performer, some of which was disputed and the allegations came from someone who had opposing political views. We can debate whether that was an overreaction and whether there is a better way to deal with that kind of conduct.

But the allegations against Manson are pretty horrific and go well beyond #metoo into straight up criminal conduct. Why in the world would there be no repercussions for Manson until he had his day in court? Why should a business be forced to stand by someone like Manson? If you can't cancel Manson, then basically anything is fair game against women in the entertainment world as long as you beat the rap in court.

I know the guy has always been into shock value, but this stuff is a bit extreme.

Uh, just wondering what woman in their right mind would even come close to dating Marilyn Manson??

I am really unsure why you would WANT to live in a society where your entire life and reputation could be ruined by allegations alone. If someone, perhaps a disgruntled work colleague, or the dude whose crush you are banging, has it out for you real bad, and decides to make up a lie about you making child-porn in your basement and you lose your job, your spouse leaves you and all of your friends disavow you before the facts even come out - is that the world you would want to live in? That would be absolute chaos, which is why we have the innocent-until-proven-guilty system we have.

I am not even saying this woman is lying, I am actually inclined to believe her, but I am also not going to make judgements before the facts are out.

deydoodoodohdohdontdeydoo? wrote:

Probably a disgusting freak (surprise, surprise) but it's a rum world in which a man can have his life ruined by one Tweet or Instagram post, by a woman who stands to financially gain from it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55900061

Yes, yes. Manson is the victim here...

Hemingway of 139 characters wrote:

There are at least four women claiming, at a minimum, extreme emotional abuse.

which isn't necessarily anything more than a bad relationship that they blamed on him. This happens to all men eventually. "Emotional abuse" is the go-to substitute when there's no actual abuse to point to.

It's Marilyn Manson, any woman who claims to have expected harmony or normality is a liar

Precious Roy wrote:

Should these businesses be required to keep doing business with him until his case was heard in court of law?

Required? Perhaps. Suspend with pay pending justice system outcome. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

I horrifically abused all my exes.

Not to go into victim blaming mode. These women must be incredibly stupid. What could go wrong if you hang out with a grown man whose stage name sounds like a maniac cult leader’s wife and who also wears demon clown makeup whenever he is seen in public. Anyone with any sense wouldn’t hang out with Manson. The dude looks like a freaking psycho.

We elected a president four years ago who said he liked to grab women by the p*ssy. What we have couldn't be farther from a cancel culture.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

We elected a president four years ago who said he liked to grab women by the p*ssy. What we have couldn't be farther from a cancel culture.

Eh? Social media ended up banning him while he was still the serving POTUS.

I think what you mean is - 'we wont have a true cancel culture until everybody who disagrees with us is immediately cancelled'.

Meanwhile, you elect and confer sainthood upon a senile old creep who likes to sniff girl's hair.

Gentleman Savage wrote:

Silver Bullets wrote:

Or least people who were trying to be canceled by the Left like Judge Kavanough, but were unsuccessful.

Here come the day drinkers...

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Thank God, Ladies! The male feminists are here to save us.

So we have a man named Marilyn accused by a woman named Evan. The world is upside down.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

We elected a president four years ago who said he liked to grab women by the p*ssy. What we have couldn't be farther from a cancel culture.

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I'm astounded by people who think cancel culture doesn't exist. Some examples:

1. A law professor, Jason Kilborn, was recently put on leave (pending investigation) because he referred to the N word on an exam question about employment discrimination.

2. San Francisco City School District is renaming multiple schools because of the alleged past sins of their namsakes, which they discovered via Google search. Abraham Lincoln is among them.

3. Twitter has, for years, kicked feminists off the platform for using male pronouns for transwomen and referring to them as male--i.e. kicked out of the public square

4. Also, read Jon Ronson's book, So You've Been Publicly Shamed. It has story after story of people, most of them non-famous people, who have lost their jobs and reputations due to a awkward comment, joke, or mis-step.

I wonder if you haven't heard about these stories because of media echo chambers. Maybe they don't register for you because you support revenge and censorship?

Oh of course all these women now suffer PTSD and mental health problems, ready to cash in for compensation.

OK....so lets tell the OP to pick a legit cancel culture example instead of someone who probably deserves everything headed his way.

Gentleman Savage wrote:

deydoodoodohdohdontdeydoo? wrote:

Probably a disgusting freak (surprise, surprise) but it's a rum world in which a man can have his life ruined by one Tweet or Instagram post, by a woman who stands to financially gain from it.

Letsrun incels up to their misogyny yet again.

“misogyny” is the word pathetic little woke leftists always trot out because for some reason they think it makes them appear intelligent.

deydoodoodohdohdontdeydoo? wrote:

victims should have no voice, right? wrote:

Or are you more worried a bunch of incels are going to call it "cancel culture".

You sounded like you were making an intelligent point until that bit, but then I stopped reading.

What exactly do you 'progressives' mean when you accuse any man criticising radical feminism or defending due process against men, of automatically being 'incels'?

What are you even talking about? I doubt by any measure that anyone would call me "progressive", more like old school. I've certainly never been accused of being a feminist, let alone a radical feminist. I'm not even center right. I'm just against stupidity and stupid people, like you. Pro business, pro small government, anti-stupidity. I don't think men should be allowed to race as women and I think incels (like you) are pathetic, maybe mentally ill and a potential threat to others. You're inability to get a date is because of who you are, full stop. Blaming women for that is exactly why you can't get a date.

I also think there is nothing wrong with Kaepernick not getting a contract for the same reason the wife beater can't get a contract - bad for business. Same reason a record label drops this guy. The bottom line.