So does this mean Tyler Hamilton was clean?
i wasnt aware...he was positive for EPO?
Quote from the article...............
"Therefore, the test appears to have an unknown false positive rate, and any athlete who feels they have wrongly tested positive for EPO in the last four years should be able to prove their innocence and sue - someone - for damages".
I told you that I was clean!!!!!!!!
Tyler Hamilton submitted blood samples. He was found guilty of homologous doping; transfusing another person's blood into himself.
How can it be that the "world best lab" for urine EPO test in France is using a monoclonal antibody which reacts with so many other proteins instead of recombinant EPO only? And no WADA certified lab noticed this "little" scientific fault til an aussie lab came up with the paper in Clin. Chim Acta in August 2005. Incredible! 5 years of complete wrong testing and WADA still stands and hails this as perfect to catch the cheaters.
Oh how I dislike Richard Pound.
As far as athletes suing WADA for damages over false positives, Pound doesn't believe it will work. "I think if you've signed onto this and you're governed by the code, your recourse is to the Court of Arbitration for Sport," he said. "You don't go running off to the state courts."
Referring to Beke's case, where he intends to sue WADA for €125,000," Pound said, "This one so far, as far as I know, has been confined to the courts in a particular part of Belgium. We've had some contact from the lawyer of the athlete, whose name is Beke, using the shotgun approach. Maybe as a lawyer he went to school in the States, suing everyone in sight. We said 'Well, do whatever you have to do, but we don't have any responsibility'. And furthermore, we said 'On what basis would you come after WADA?' They refused to give us any documents, they refused to permit the government agencies to release any information to us, then at the same time they have this preposterous claim against us. It's out there, but it's not something over which we're losing any sleep at all."
epo tester wrote:
How can it be that the "world best lab" for urine EPO test in France is using a monoclonal antibody which reacts with so many other proteins instead of recombinant EPO only? And no WADA certified lab noticed this "little" scientific fault til an aussie lab came up with the paper in Clin. Chim Acta in August 2005. Incredible! 5 years of complete wrong testing and WADA still stands and hails this as perfect to catch the cheaters.
This was pointed out to WADA by Prof Hans Heid in his report on Lagat's B-test in October 2003! Specifically his recommendation E:
"E) Most importantly, the antibody used does not provide an unequivocal identification of rhEpo and specifically does not discriminate between natural and recombinant erythropoietin! A specific monoclonal antibody exclusively reacting with the recombinant glycoproteins is desirable and should be generated."
Seems like the 'not invented here' syndrome!
"In a telephone conference on September 15, WADA's Dick Pound dismissed suggestions that the EPO test is unreliable, or presented any kind of legal problem. "Taken from 10,000 feet, we're not concerned about the viability of the test at all," said Pound. "The test is quite reliable. What is interesting, and is something that we have to continue to follow, is whether or not there is some exercise induced variations that might occur, that might lead a lab without too much experience in these kinds of tests to conclude that there's a positive when maybe there is not."
Funny, Dick, but testing for such variations is exactly what Francoise Lasne, the developer of the test, said would be needed before it could be used for screening on a large scale. She didn't say such testing would be "interesting." She said it was necessary.
Start worrying, Dick, you bloated old gas bag. The lawyers are coming. Late, but they are coming. Your malicious little fraud's about to be exposed. Go Bernard! Go lawyers!
What I can't figure out is how the hell Eddy lost his case.
What I can't figure out is how the hell Eddy lost his case.
He used the same Lawyer as Tyler Hamilton. I heard that his case was borderline and has been re-opened, along with several others. shit if that all happens we will have to line up in the apology queue.
Phil, knowing what you know about the science of the test--which is certainly a lot more than I do--do you feel that this test can be expected to catch epo cheaters?
I've got the sick feeling in my stomach that the Lance-L'Equipe case essentially opened Pandora's Box.
All of the drug cheats will now be able to sing this song.
It doesn't mean that he was innocent, it simply means that he can't be proven guilty.
Lance is innocent, there is no formal positive test,
just some frogs making shit up from 1999. I think more athletes had false positives and WADA should make good on that or get sued.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a blood test that is much more accurate? Use it. Have religious issues? Fine. Don't compete.
Alan
I agree a 100% blood test over an inreliable urine test.
The blood test is not a more reliable test and it is not approved. The blood test is indirect, no recombinant EPO is detected but other parameters e.g.hematocrit value.
The urine test is detecting recombinant EPO directly, but due do various settings (nonspecific antibody, rapid biodegradation and secretion, sample handling, complicated test procedure and others) very unreliable and possibly not only sometimes leading to false positive results.
Let us face the summary: Currently, there is no test for EPO!
You are wrong. You are remembering things backwards. The blood hematocrit test has been used to screen for individuals with unusually high hematocrits. Those individuals were then subjected to the urine test as being more suspect of having an rhEPO-induced high hematocrit.
P.S. T.Hamilton was a different case. Obviously, he got transfusions with foreign blood, no injections with recombinant EPO. This foreign blood is detectable!
pound this wrote:
shit if that all happens we will have to line up in the apology queue.
Not me. I've been screaming about this test ever since the Yegorova debacle. I sensed something stunk, so I took the time to go to my local university library, made copies of all the relevant journal articles, and read them. This convinced me that the test had not -- and still has not - been properly validated. I suspect that this is not for lack of effort. I suspect that test has not been properly validated because, in its current form, it is intrinsically unreliable.
Meanwhile, WADA and the IAAF have been happy to make it appear as though they had an rhEPO deterrent, when in fact what they had was a test that jeopardized the careers of perfectly innocent athletes. And there's no way in hell WADA or the IAAF can plead scientific ignorance. The Lagat case made it perfectly clear that the test has serious problems.
Pound, WADA, and the IAAF deserve the harshest punishment the law can dish out for perpetrating this fraud.
Bring on the lawyers.