Rojo - Do you support transgender athletes competing as long as they receive hormonal treatment? Or are you fully against?

Thousands of average guys are waiting for a full ride to Oregon.

I've always been very divided on this topic and this is maybe the best idea I've ever seen. Base a sliding scale and let the people with degrees make the call. All these pseudo-scientists on here need to cool it.

GD wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

No one is going to court over a long-term, theoretical problem. Who would be the plantiff?

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How about some actual plantiffs for this allegedly "theoretical problem?" Selina Soule, Alanna Smith, and Chelsea Mitchell come to mind.

Yeah, Selina Soule was bumped from 6th place to 8th. I believe she already qualified for the Tri-States in the LJ, so her damage was limited to not being able to run a "one and out" heat. And her case has nothing to do with NCAA rules or those in other states for HS.

Based on her latest video, she seems to be greatly enjoying the attention she is receiving. She's not a compelling victim.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

By logics you use then we is say men 7 feet tall is has no business because they is got height advantage in nba. And we is say if you is too big and is too fast then not should play sport because you has advantage so you not can say just because someone taller then they not right to play because it not fair and is bigotry.

astro wrote:

Biological males have absolutely no business competing in women's sports. It is absurd. What is equally absurd is how everyone is just supposed to pander to a microscopic subset of the population and how they supposedly take precedence over all else.

Nobody is saying they don’t have the right to play. They have the right to play, they don’t have the right to win.

Go play in proper category and if you aren’t a winner any more, sucks to suck, come join the rest of us.

So being biologically male in a women's sport is no different than being tall? Nope. Sorry.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

GD wrote:

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How about some actual plantiffs for this allegedly "theoretical problem?" Selina Soule, Alanna Smith, and Chelsea Mitchell come to mind.

Yeah, Selina Soule was bumped from 6th place to 8th. I believe she already qualified for the Tri-States in the LJ, so her damage was limited to not being able to run a "one and out" heat. And her case has nothing to do with NCAA rules or those in other states for HS.

Based on her latest video, she seems to be greatly enjoying the attention she is receiving. She's not a compelling victim.

I was unaware that being compelling was a prerequisite for victimhood. What level of damage to women's sports rises to the level of being worthy of your attention? If a biological male were to win a high school state track championship in the girl's classification, would that warrant some concern on your part?

Biden's EO pretty much pushes women back about 75 years in terms of athletics. They will not have a place to compete.

A man who has completed hormone therapy is still going to be stronger and faster than any female because of biomechanics.

Trans males should compete against males.

Alan

Disgusted wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Yeah, Selina Soule was bumped from 6th place to 8th. I believe she already qualified for the Tri-States in the LJ, so her damage was limited to not being able to run a "one and out" heat. And her case has nothing to do with NCAA rules or those in other states for HS.

Based on her latest video, she seems to be greatly enjoying the attention she is receiving. She's not a compelling victim.

I was unaware that being compelling was a prerequisite for victimhood. What level of damage to women's sports rises to the level of being worthy of your attention? If a biological male were to win a high school state track championship in the girl's classification, would that warrant some concern on your part?

If there is a transgender state champion about once every 3-4 years, it just doesn't really matter. The transgender female will not receive a scholarship so the girls behind her will still get theirs, if they're good enough. They will get over it.

What about "one and done" basketball players? They take scholarships from true student athletes and bump others from making the team. I doubt if these O&D athletes see the inside of a classroom during their stay in college. That's far more unfair than what happened to Soule. And it really did seem like she's having the time of her life based on that video..

Every average guy will be eligible for a scholarship based on this EO.

I'll admit to being a bit impressed by your ability to make preposterous ideas sound reasonable, but come on! It just doesn't matter if a girl works her butt off for years and loses her state championship to a boy? She should just harden up and get over it? How about the transgender athlete hardens up and competes against boys instead? If no state championship is forthcoming, just get over it. And what about basketball players? Are they taking scholarships from a protected athletic class? If not, that's irrelevant here and fodder for a separate discussion.

Just been reading the EO about trans and the military.

Don’t be surprised how the tans movement will keep forcing the issue in sports both with and without hormone treatment.

Your own version of common sense may not be the version that wins and women’s WR’s will tumble but not be recognised by WA.

I'll take that as a compliment. In a country with a population of 340M, a transgender winning a state championship every few years just doesn't warrant all this handwringing. From a college coach's point of view and for anyone watching the meet, the 2nd place finisher will be considered the winner of the race, and if she's fast enough, she will still get her scholarship. It would be ridiculous for a girl about to leave home to compete in college sports and pursue a degree, to mope around the house and record "it sucks to be me" videos. I would be loving life with my scholarship if I was her and would put the race behind me in about 5 minutes.

As of yet, no female has lost a scholarship to a transgender athlete and at least in distance running, it's never going to happen.

Running craze wrote:

Every average guy will be eligible for a scholarship based on this EO.

I'm a liberal Californian, but If I was a coach, I would never give a scholarship to your average guy. Would you?

And for the umpteenth time, Biden's EO has nothing to do with women's sports.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Disgusted wrote:

I was unaware that being compelling was a prerequisite for victimhood. What level of damage to women's sports rises to the level of being worthy of your attention? If a biological male were to win a high school state track championship in the girl's classification, would that warrant some concern on your part?

If there is a transgender state champion about once every 3-4 years, it just doesn't really matter. The transgender female will not receive a scholarship so the girls behind her will still get theirs, if they're good enough. They will get over it.

It doesn't matter to you, because you're not the girl who's being unfairly beaten by boys. I thought liberals prided themselves on their superior empathy.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I'll take that as a compliment. In a country with a population of 340M, a transgender winning a state championship every few years just doesn't warrant all this handwringing. From a college coach's point of view and for anyone watching the meet, the 2nd place finisher will be considered the winner of the race, and if she's fast enough, she will still get her scholarship. It would be ridiculous for a girl about to leave home to compete in college sports and pursue a degree, to mope around the house and record "it sucks to be me" videos. I would be loving life with my scholarship if I was her and would put the race behind me in about 5 minutes.

As of yet, no female has lost a scholarship to a transgender athlete and at least in distance running, it's never going to happen.

Eh just let them have their fear porn fantasies, no amount of facts will convince them that women's sports are not on the verge of ending. I'm sure we could find several similar threads on this topic from ten years ago when the NCAA allowed trans women to compete, or twenty years ago when the IOC stopped requiring surgery for trans women.

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Would it? Sure he might be the best player (i.e. just like he was the best man) but how silly would it be? People have the delusion if Lebron transition, he would be the Lebron we see playing for the lakers. He wouldn't be. Sure he would still be 6'8 but now he will be missing all that muscle mass that lets him jump out of the building. His shooting touch is likely be trashed given his different levels of strength. His basketball IQ would be messed up beyond belief as he is now a step slower than he was.

TransLebron isn't going to be like 10% better than the best woman player. The question is he 1-2% more or 0%? For amateur athletics, nobody cares. At elite levels? It makes a difference. And there is probably some sport dependent issues.

Yes he would. He'd be 6'8. He could just dominate on height. Shooting touch? Everything would be a layup.