I mean, until COVID happened, Trump was on course to win a second term. Economy was in unprecedented territory, unemployment was the lowest it had ever been, dollar was strong, and avg household's income was the highest it had been. Sure, Trump was an incendiary orange buffoon, but folks had jobs and money in their pockets. Historically, a president with a strong economy never loses a reelection. The bounties were never conclusive, just speculation.
Jason Derulo wrote:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/Yeah why read the publicly available actual executive order (took me 90 seconds) when you can just hop on this board and complain about a bunch of things Biden didn't actually do?
You people really are a riot
Nope, this is where you are being disingenuous;
Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports.
direct from the EO. Looks good, written well, but clearly says - identify how you will and then do what you want without any comeback.
What is the over/under on the number of transgender woman scoring in NCAA XC or T&F at nationals over the length of biden's term? 1?
20.
pupil3142 wrote:
Jason Derulo wrote:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/Yeah why read the publicly available actual executive order (took me 90 seconds) when you can just hop on this board and complain about a bunch of things Biden didn't actually do?
You people really are a riot
Nope, this is where you are being disingenuous;
Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports.
direct from the EO. Looks good, written well, but clearly says - identify how you will and then do what you want without any comeback.
That's the introduction to the EO, outlining a philosophy It says they "should" be able to. This is not legally binding. If you read the legal requirements, all it says is that each agency needs to consider whether it has policies in place that are consistent with the philosophy.
If you conduct a review, and you don't believe that your agency has policies that discriminate against LGBTQ people, there is no action to take. This is requiring that agencies consider it. If you think that's ridiculous, fine, but the OP here said Biden's EO is requiring that male to female transgender athletes become immediately eligible for female scholarships, which is laughably false.
It's like you all actually want that to be what the EO says just so you can complain about it and point out the obvious fact that men are faster on average than women, that some dudes on here feel the need to constantly reiterate as if we haven't all been to a track meet before.
The Department of Education is in violation. They need to fix their policies. Federal funding should be withheld from high schools and colleges that don't immediately allow transgenders to compete in the gender of their choosing.
Has The White House made comment on the sports part of it all.
weird priorities wrote:
I want to be clear that I don't have the answer on this issue but it's not as simple as some people make it out to be.
https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?lang=en
Yes, it is. First of all, only about 1 in 20,000 males has an XX phenotype, in which the Sry gene, normally found on the Y-chromosome, winds up on the X-chromosome instead, leading to male sexual development.
But more to the point, if functioning testes are present and the person who has them has receptors that respond to testosterone, it doesn't matter where the testes came from, or whether they happen to be sitting in a nasty-looking bag outside the body (the typical situation, sadly) or safely hidden within the abdomen (as with Caster Semenya). That person can identify as whatever they want, but for sports purposes it's game over -- anyone wanting to have testes circling a track in women's Olympic races is either nu...is either insane or out to ruin sports for women from the world-class level on down.
And again, a lot of trans activists and "feminists" (the newer, openly absurd kind) will tell your straight up that they want the idea of separate sex sports to disappear, no matter the cost. Yet plenty of well-intentioned, hollow-headed libs have been completely suckered by the whole "It's about acceptance and equality" line that they overlook the obvious science-denial, cancellation tactics, and other SJW loveliness coming from these "oppressed" agitators.
Watch how they operate and try to distinguish their tactics in any material way from any other bunch of militant losers who aim to shoehorn their ideas into public policy using a combination of flagrant lying, the winnowing out of opposing voices (from academic settings, Twitter, whatever) and appeals to a legitimate cause that they are grossly perverting, in this case equality of opportunity.
Jason Derulo wrote:
pupil3142 wrote:
Nope, this is where you are being disingenuous;
Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports.
direct from the EO. Looks good, written well, but clearly says - identify how you will and then do what you want without any comeback.
That's the introduction to the EO, outlining a philosophy It says they "should" be able to. This is not legally binding. If you read the legal requirements, all it says is that each agency needs to consider whether it has policies in place that are consistent with the philosophy.
If you conduct a review, and you don't believe that your agency has policies that discriminate against LGBTQ people, there is no action to take. This is requiring that agencies consider it. If you think that's ridiculous, fine, but the OP here said Biden's EO is requiring that male to female transgender athletes become immediately eligible for female scholarships, which is laughably false.
It's like you all actually want that to be what the EO says just so you can complain about it and point out the obvious fact that men are faster on average than women, that some dudes on here feel the need to constantly reiterate as if we haven't all been to a track meet before.
All you have to do is read the first paragraph of the order to see where this is going. We are going to remove the right of millions of women to not have men in the locker rooms or bathrooms with them in order to protect the feelings of a small portion of the population. If you do not see where this is going I don't know what to say.
RunRagged wrote:
There was already a case from a couple of years ago in Vermont where a HS boy on the cross-country team who after suddenly claiming to be "trans" did nothing at all to change his appearance or his activities other than to use the girls' loos, locker rooms and to bunk with the girls at away meets. He stayed on the boys' cross-country team, but queued with the girls to use their toilets, and changed his clothes and showered in the girls' locker room.
While this particular case sounds really bad, it could be a model for the real trans athletes. They want two things. They want to be treated as girls, and they want to compete in sports. So let's treat them as girls, and allow them to compete... in the "open" division, which replaces the boys' division. (And for the sake of fairness, let's allow cis girls to compete in the open division if they choose.)
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Jason Derulo wrote:
That's the introduction to the EO, outlining a philosophy It says they "should" be able to. This is not legally binding. If you read the legal requirements, all it says is that each agency needs to consider whether it has policies in place that are consistent with the philosophy.
If you conduct a review, and you don't believe that your agency has policies that discriminate against LGBTQ people, there is no action to take. This is requiring that agencies consider it. If you think that's ridiculous, fine, but the OP here said Biden's EO is requiring that male to female transgender athletes become immediately eligible for female scholarships, which is laughably false.
It's like you all actually want that to be what the EO says just so you can complain about it and point out the obvious fact that men are faster on average than women, that some dudes on here feel the need to constantly reiterate as if we haven't all been to a track meet before.
All you have to do is read the first paragraph of the order to see where this is going. We are going to remove the right of millions of women to not have men in the locker rooms or bathrooms with them in order to protect the feelings of a small portion of the population. If you do not see where this is going I don't know what to say.
You do realize transgender people are already using the facilities that correspond to their gender identity right? Your argument has been used for years against states that have allowed this for years and guess what? Nobody has noticed, nothing bad has happened, and nothing has changed. This is such a weird thing for America to get so worked up over.
There would also be rules in place like there are in Vermont to certify that an individual is transitioning/actually identifies as transgender. It's still not gonna be legal for a completely cis dude to say "huhuh I'm a chick now" and just walk into the women's locker room. There are common sense ways to go about this.
Jason Derulo wrote:
You do realize transgender people are already using the facilities that correspond to their gender identity right? Your argument has been used for years against states that have allowed this for years and guess what? Nobody has noticed
How would you know nobody has noticed when they can't speak up? Fired or canceled is the punishment.
What people realize is American liberalism is fascism.
Coach of straight guys wrote:
20.
I would take the under on that bet all day long. AFAIK there are about zero DI transwoman athletes that have been remotely competitive at the national scene. Expecting 20 to show up over the next 4 years is beyond optimistic. Heck even at HS (i.e. with basically no requirements) there haven't been 20 national class people. Those CT sprinters? They were running 12.2 and 25. Those aren't getting you invites to national meets. CeCee Telfers 400m hurdle time wouldn't have gotten her in the finals in 2019. And so on.
Maybe there is a big wave about to hit but I sort of doubt it. I expect a steady stream of the sky is falling articles and every couple of years someone being sort of competitive.
I don't understand the significance of Biden's executive order in regard to women's sports. Transgender athletes are already allowed to compete by the NCAA and USATF and in most states for HS. What is now going to change? And, as always, athletes from .3% of the population will not take over women's sports.
steve the addict wrote:
Trump may not be the best man but at least he does not cave to the SJWs or try to kiss arse all the time like Sleepy Joe. I have a lot more respect for Trump than Biden because of this fact.
Exactly, Trump was completely obnoxious. But this is horrendous and dangerous and sadly got not world wide coverage.
Jason Derulo wrote:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/Yeah why read the publicly available actual executive order (took me 90 seconds) when you can just hop on this board and complain about a bunch of things Biden didn't actually do?
You people really are a riot
This is pretty much the only pertinent, correct comment on this thread, echoed by a few -- but very few -- others.
Public funded universities will very soon be required to allow anyone to compete in the women's category. You can't make them drop their pants and that won't matter anyway because it is the gender not the sex than matters. I am female. End of story.
Jason Derulo wrote:
You do realize transgender people are already using the facilities that correspond to their gender identity right? Your argument has been used for years against states that have allowed this for years and guess what? Nobody has noticed, nothing bad has happened, and nothing has changed. This is such a weird thing for America to get so worked up over.
Exactly. Has anyone ever been checked or asked to provide identification? Is that what these "gender critical" people want? I like to imagine they're the same people would describe it as Orwellian if they were spot checked.
unit flick wrote:
Has The White House made comment on the sports part of it all.
A trans expert has emailed me that people are lobbying the Biden administration to try to put a caveat in for sports, implying that it likely is needed. More details below.
My expert source wrote:
The executive order merely states that transgender athletes must be allowed to play, but says nothing about any conditions. Executive orders are still subject to judicial oversight so any federal judge can temporarily stop the order. Then the order would have to be adjudicated. Who knows how long that could take?
There are also two trials currently underway; one over the Connecticut rule and one over the Idaho rule. The rulings in those cases, and possible appeals to higher courts, could also affect future rules on transgender athletes.
It is absolutely true that there are advisors to the president who would like to see all restrictions on transgender athletes eliminated, but there are also advisors who think the NCAA rules should stand. The mess over high school rules is even more complex.
It is far from clear what rules on trans athletes in the US will look like in two or three years, but there will be plenty of battles before the dust settles.
Hopefully, Doriane and her allies (I count myself among them) can make the case that there need to be restrictions on trans athletes.
And, of course, the next president might issue a different executive order.
A friend - who is very much opposed to trans athletes competing against women - emailed me a link to an article that points out something I'd never really thought about. Have you ever noticed that most profiles of trans athletes feature them solo so you don't realize how much bigger they are physically than everyone else?
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