Real Obvi wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Look! Squirrel........................er, Trump!
The post wasn't about Trump. Ultimately it was about you.
So thanks for chiming in right on cue (with an astonishing lack of self reflection or even self awareness).
Wrong. Coulter has been a Trump hater for many years- this is not news. As usual, all the LR libs & Trump haters cannot defend Biden. Instead you resort to Trump whataboutisms.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
The post wasn't about Trump. Ultimately it was about you.
So thanks for chiming in right on cue (with an astonishing lack of self reflection or even self awareness).
Wrong. Coulter has been a Trump hater for many years- this is not news. As usual, all the LR libs & Trump haters cannot defend Biden. Instead you resort to Trump whataboutisms.
Thanks again. You're the BEST!
Trollminator wrote:
flyingfrog wrote:
Why do the parties nominate such weird candidates? What's wrong with finding some decent intelligent human to run the country?
Admit it you wouldn't hire Biden to run your lawn care business.
And Trump though mentally competent was so divisive that he just alienated half the country.
Are there any 'normal' humans interested in the job?
Is most of the country capable of hiring a normal human being for the job?
Countries with parliamentary systems are more likely to hire a normal human being for the PM. Yeah, I know a certain Bojo. But he is an exception. As dysfunctional as the Italian politics is, they managed to find a savior in Super Mario. There is no way we can recruit Bernanke to save the country.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Is most of the country capable of hiring a normal human being for the job?
I have an ongoing theory that politics have become such a complete sh/tshow that our good, qualified, talented people are staying away in droves. So instead we get second or third tier leaders like the current crop.
I mean who would want to be a politician? You get paid nothing, you have to beg for money every day, you just rubberstamp whatever pelosi, schumer, mcconnell wants, you can't have any fun anymore because of social media...
it's a terrible, terrible job and I'm not sure what will solve it.
Ultimately, we'll get just hyper political people like cruz, or super rich people like trump who don't need the salary to support themselves. Not a great situation.
My only hope is that trump will inspire a few thousand idealists to get involved in politics, mostly women I hope, and they will redo things away from trumpism.
The Democrats have become so radically left that any decent republican is going to have his or her reputation ruined if they oppose any one of the core Democrat issues. Joe Biden, decent Joe ... yeah right, presided as Chair over the Senate confirmation hearings of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas. Those senators did everything they could do to bring down Bork and Thomas with lies and everything else. They did the same thing with Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh, again with lies and defamations and everything else to ruin their reputations. Mitt Romney - again the Dems got down in the gutter. Trump? He may be a POS but they commenced with impeachment hearings from the get-go. Democrats play about as dirty as possible to get the power they thirst after. They are ruthless. Republicans pretty much never get down in the gutter like the Dems do. The party has been hijacked by the radicals, though I would consider most in the Democrat party as radical.
agip wrote:
I have an ongoing theory that politics have become such a complete sh/tshow that our good, qualified, talented people are staying away in droves. So instead we get second or third tier leaders like the current crop.
I mean who would want to be a politician? You get paid nothing, you have to beg for money every day, you just rubberstamp whatever pelosi, schumer, mcconnell wants, you can't have any fun anymore because of social media...
it's a terrible, terrible job and I'm not sure what will solve it.
In 1988, Lee Atwater launched the most vicious negative campaign against Mike Dukakis, which turned a 10pt deficit in summer to a 40 state victory in November. Susan Estrich planned counter attacks against Bush 41, but Dukakis never approved any of them because it was beneath him.
In the next election, Carville and Begala were determined never to repeat the same mistake, and formed their "counterattack" squad in their campaign. (Ironically, Atwater died in 1991, so the vicious attack like the ones in 1988 never came.)
In 2016 CNN documentary ("Race for the White House"). Estrich looked back and said 1988 was the turning point after which decent people stopped running for presidential elections because of all the sh!tshow.
(On a side note, Atwater was also responsible for the "Monkey Business" fiasco that ended Gary Hart's campaign. James Fallows had an inside story on this in The Atlantic.)
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
agip wrote:
I have an ongoing theory that politics have become such a complete sh/tshow that our good, qualified, talented people are staying away in droves. So instead we get second or third tier leaders like the current crop.
I mean who would want to be a politician? You get paid nothing, you have to beg for money every day, you just rubberstamp whatever pelosi, schumer, mcconnell wants, you can't have any fun anymore because of social media...
it's a terrible, terrible job and I'm not sure what will solve it.
In 1988, Lee Atwater launched the most vicious negative campaign against Mike Dukakis, which turned a 10pt deficit in summer to a 40 state victory in November. Susan Estrich planned counter attacks against Bush 41, but Dukakis never approved any of them because it was beneath him.
In the next election, Carville and Begala were determined never to repeat the same mistake, and formed their "counterattack" squad in their campaign. (Ironically, Atwater died in 1991, so the vicious attack like the ones in 1988 never came.)
In 2016 CNN documentary ("Race for the White House"). Estrich looked back and said 1988 was the turning point after which decent people stopped running for presidential elections because of all the sh!tshow.
(On a side note, Atwater was also responsible for the "Monkey Business" fiasco that ended Gary Hart's campaign. James Fallows had an inside story on this in The Atlantic.)
yeah maybe but politics have always been a very dirty sport. Attack politics is nothing new.
it's just a terrible job for almost everyone.
politicians rarely have a good time anymore.
no 'happy warriors' - it's just grimness now and begging for money.
agip wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
In 1988, Lee Atwater launched the most vicious negative campaign against Mike Dukakis, which turned a 10pt deficit in summer to a 40 state victory in November. Susan Estrich planned counter attacks against Bush 41, but Dukakis never approved any of them because it was beneath him.
In the next election, Carville and Begala were determined never to repeat the same mistake, and formed their "counterattack" squad in their campaign. (Ironically, Atwater died in 1991, so the vicious attack like the ones in 1988 never came.)
In 2016 CNN documentary ("Race for the White House"). Estrich looked back and said 1988 was the turning point after which decent people stopped running for presidential elections because of all the sh!tshow.
(On a side note, Atwater was also responsible for the "Monkey Business" fiasco that ended Gary Hart's campaign. James Fallows had an inside story on this in The Atlantic.)
yeah maybe but politics have always been a very dirty sport. Attack politics is nothing new.
it's just a terrible job for almost everyone.
politicians rarely have a good time anymore.
no 'happy warriors' - it's just grimness now and begging for money.
I wish we had just dirty politics of old. What is have now, driven by republicans, is a real threat to out democracy.
In 5 states republicans tried to over turn an election by sending FAKE electors with fraudulent papers saying Trump was elected. These were high placed officials organizing this fraud.
Trump is ensuring the only Republicans that will show this level of loyalty will get nominated.
The danger to our democracy can not be over stated.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/similarities-suggest-coordination-in-fake-elector-letters-from-republicans-in-five-states-130662469836Watch this video and tell me our democracy is not in trouble.
Democrats incompetence puts Republicans on top!
You are as demented as your savior Joe Biden and probably as impotent as.
More bad news if you're a LR lib:
Gallup just released their national party identification and it shows a 7 point swing to the GOP. With Biden's lower & lower approval ratings, the numbers for the dems will continue to drift lower.
Republicans 47%
Democrats 42%
In January 2021, it was:
Democrats 49%
Republicans 40%
If these numbers prove to be true, we could be looking at a 100+ Dem House seat wipe out, along with 8+ GOP Senate seat pick ups- might be more if Manchin joins the GOP.
I see more state legislatures & governor mansions flipping to the GOP. Regardless, the country as of today is trending Republican. And that's Gallup saying it.
Get ready for a 2022 GOP earthquake.
Lets go Brandon!
#FJB
Russia and the US are far outliers on the vaccine insanity list. Way more anti-vaccine crazies in these two countries than in other major nations.
Many Russians who lived through the demise of the USSR are amused that instead of Russia becoming more like the US after America won the cold war...American has become more like the USSR.
Dreams of autocracy, crazy conspiracy, rural poverty, corruption in the federal government, distrust of institutions, etc.
Thanks, 'conservatives,' You did great. You are killing Americans left and right and hurting the body politic. Are there any American institutions left that the 'conservatives' like? Anything?
Stock market crashing. Economy is in shambles. Bare shelves in stores.
Buttjudge might work on the supply chain crisis after maternity leave.
Democrats are disgraceful disgusting incompetent pieces of trash.
agip wrote:
just about the only good news I've seen out of DC lately.
would be so great not only to fix a weak foundation of American democracy, but also to get an important piece of bipartisan legislation on the board.
But it's anti-Trump at its core, so I'm sure the Rs will blow it up in the end.
Andrew Solender
@AndrewSolender
Electoral Count Act reform is picking up GOP support:
- Rep. Jim Banks says the 1887 law is "muddled, flawed" and Congress "must clarify" it.
- A bipartisan Senate group working on it has grown to ~12 members, including Portman & Ernst.
It's always easy to criticize, of course, but something like this really makes me wonder about priorities on the D side. 6 January is 12+ months in the rear view mirror, and how much has one heard about this effort? Not much, and only very recently, for the average news consumer (like me). How about some urgency?
I am curious about the politics. Are the D leaders really smart politicians who fully understand the democracy threat, but believe that bills having nothing to do with it (e.g., infrastructure) are the best way to win future elections? (and keep the Rs out of power) Or, as it's easy to think, are they still locked in normal issues politics, and aren't doing nearly enough, fast enough, to blunt the threat of autocracy?
Fearing the Rs as I should, I hope that Nancy and Chuck and Joe are being real smart about this, but.....
Real Obvi wrote:
"EXCLUSIVE: Trump is demanding to know Ron DeSantis's booster status, and I can now reveal it. He was a loyal booster when Trump ran in 2016, but then he learned our president was a liar and con man whose grift was permanent. I hope that clears things up." - Ann Coulter
Not a comment on Trump really. I mean, is there anybody who does not realize by now that "(Trump) is a liar and con man whose grift is permanent" (and a whole lot worse)?
More of a comment on Coulter. So, she just ignores that she is the author of a book titled, "In Trump We Trust"?
Is this what it's like for the Trumpettes? Zero self reflection? Never a moment of "My God, what a moron I have been", and no thought toward stopping for a moment to figure out how to not be such a moron in the future?
For the outright mouth breathers who ACTUALLY wear the red hat, it's no longer as surprising as it used to be. Still depressing and pathetic, but less surprising.
What STILL amazes me are the fairly moderate politically, well-educated, at least somewhat well-informed voters who will STILL pull the lever for Trump. Or pull it for any R, at this point, given that they're clearly an anti-democratic party (despite what they might say in response to a criticism like this). If Trump is your leader, and he is, you're anti-democratic. As confirmed as recently as his rally this past weekend (and criticism of Rounds last week). Simple.
47%. And what would it be today? 46%? 48%? With a big fraction of that being "Non-Trumpers" (just ask them), who nonetheless will vote for him to be the most powerful man in the world (and for his cultist Rs who will do whatever he says).
nonequals wrote:
agip wrote:
just about the only good news I've seen out of DC lately.
would be so great not only to fix a weak foundation of American democracy, but also to get an important piece of bipartisan legislation on the board.
But it's anti-Trump at its core, so I'm sure the Rs will blow it up in the end.
Andrew Solender
@AndrewSolender
Electoral Count Act reform is picking up GOP support:
- Rep. Jim Banks says the 1887 law is "muddled, flawed" and Congress "must clarify" it.
- A bipartisan Senate group working on it has grown to ~12 members, including Portman & Ernst.
It's always easy to criticize, of course, but something like this really makes me wonder about priorities on the D side. 6 January is 12+ months in the rear view mirror, and how much has one heard about this effort? Not much, and only very recently, for the average news consumer (like me). How about some urgency?
I am curious about the politics. Are the D leaders really smart politicians who fully understand the democracy threat, but believe that bills having nothing to do with it (e.g., infrastructure) are the best way to win future elections? (and keep the Rs out of power) Or, as it's easy to think, are they still locked in normal issues politics, and aren't doing nearly enough, fast enough, to blunt the threat of autocracy?
Fearing the Rs as I should, I hope that Nancy and Chuck and Joe are being real smart about this, but.....
the Ds are hamstrung by not having their own media infrastructure. The Rs start with a massive headstart because their idiot voters live in a right wing medialand that tells them Ds are communists and very confused about their sexuality. So Rs don't have to sell their ideas...Fox and Rogan and Hannity do it for them.
The Ds have to work with the traditional media, which both-sides things to death and refuses to accept that the R party is off the rails and involved in sedition.
And the Ds are technocrats who believe in their souls that a good policy will work and will win elections. Fools.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Is most of the country capable of hiring a normal human being for the job?
I have an ongoing theory that politics have become such a complete sh/tshow that our good, qualified, talented people are staying away in droves. So instead we get second or third tier leaders like the current crop.
I mean who would want to be a politician? You get paid nothing, you have to beg for money every day, you just rubberstamp whatever pelosi, schumer, mcconnell wants, you can't have any fun anymore because of social media...
it's a terrible, terrible job and I'm not sure what will solve it.
Ultimately, we'll get just hyper political people like cruz, or super rich people like trump who don't need the salary to support themselves. Not a great situation.
My only hope is that trump will inspire a few thousand idealists to get involved in politics, mostly women I hope, and they will redo things away from trumpism.
I think that this MIGHT be giving "average folks" too little credit. Am I convinced that your average no-name town supervisor would go to Washington and do a clearly inferior job than your average Senator, with a way fancier resume? Not really.
Moreover, the current threat doesn't concern, primarily, competence. I know that I'm about to state the obvious to the non-Trumpers on this thread, but I'd take a third-rate town supervisor in the White House over Trump, and any R that still pledges allegiance to him (meaning ALMOST all of them, of course).
To put it another way, if you didn't know how how support for Trump would evolve (or not), but was told ALL of the bad things he'd do as President, and after, you might think, "Good, they picked an incompetent, stupid, unethical, immoral, supremely dishonest, AND SUPREMELY TRANSPARENT person to be their leader. That must not have worked out. People eventually saw him for what he was."
Nope. Folks were presented with a horrible person and roughly half of them still voted for him (and would again). How does that give one any optimism that they WOULD vote for the better people one wishes would be attracted to politics?
Just think how much more damage he could do if he worked at this full time. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
“ President Biden spent 28 percent of his first year as commander-in-chief back home in Delaware, worrying transparency advocates who note that he exempted his homes from visitor log disclosure.”
Of course he won’t disclose who visited him in his homes. Grifters gonna grift. 👎👎👎
https://nypost.com/2022/01/17/biden-spent-quarter-of-first-year-as-president-in-delaware/
agip wrote:
Russia and the US are far outliers on the vaccine insanity list. Way more anti-vaccine crazies in these two countries than in other major nations.
Many Russians who lived through the demise of the USSR are amused that instead of Russia becoming more like the US after America won the cold war...American has become more like the USSR.
Dreams of autocracy, crazy conspiracy, rural poverty, corruption in the federal government, distrust of institutions, etc.
Thanks, 'conservatives,' You did great. You are killing Americans left and right and hurting the body politic. Are there any American institutions left that the 'conservatives' like? Anything?
https://morningconsult.com/global-vaccine-tracking/
Every once in a while I'm reminded of the IMMENSE stupidity and illogic of the Trumpist world view: "We can't trust those damn lefty bureaucrats (most of whom we know little or nothing about) at ALL of those federal government institutions.....BUT, we DO want the most clearly corrupt, dishonest person we've ever seen to be in charge of ALL of it!!!"
Just imagine HATING Tony Fauci, MD (lifelong NIH bureaucrat/scientist) while LOVING Donald Trump. Makes a lot of sense.