Ellen Page is now Elliot Page?

kimonay wrote:

To be clear, I am all for diverting billions and billions of dollars being sent to Middle eastern countries and elsewhere to fund our own mental illness issues at home.

Canada is sending billions of dollars to the Middle East?

Who knew?!?

am I gay now? wrote:

I thought he was cute in Juno. Does that make me gay?

It does not make you gay. One does not suddenly become gay. You were gay all along.

Rainy Day wrote:

alfamale wrote:

Why even bring up that you're not discriminatory? Do you want to remind us about your one black friend too?

Because I was a fan of hers, now his, and it really surprised me. It’s the first Oscar nominated transgender person that I am aware of even though she was nominated as a female. I would not discriminate, and I’d go see a movie with her in it without thinking twice. I think there are some serious questions about the future of his career. Could be better than ever for all I know.

Seems like you’re the uptight person clicking on the post to start an argument.

How will the Oscar categories work now?

Dr. Watson wrote:

Rainy Day wrote:

Because I was a fan of hers, now his, and it really surprised me. It’s the first Oscar nominated transgender person that I am aware of even though she was nominated as a female. I would not discriminate, and I’d go see a movie with her in it without thinking twice. I think there are some serious questions about the future of his career. Could be better than ever for all I know.

Seems like you’re the uptight person clicking on the post to start an argument.

How will the Oscar categories work now?

There will be at least 20 new categories of gender. Clint Eastwood aka Dirty Harriette will be one of the judges.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well...... wrote:

Queer is different. Dig about on t'internet for a better understanding on the term.

"Queer" has been around long before the internet. What is it if it isn't the opposite of "straight"?

First google for me shows up...

"a person whose sexual orientation or gender identity falls outside the heterosexual mainstream or the gender binary."

Hardloper wrote:

coach wrote:

I asked the same question a couple of months back. It's all too complicated for me. I wish them well.

It's 'complicated' in the same way Flat Earth Theory is complicated. It's an illogical and nonsensical worldview.

It's not a theory, or illogical. You just need to grasp language is all, and what certain terms mean.

Dr. Watson wrote:

Rainy Day wrote:

Because I was a fan of hers, now his, and it really surprised me. It’s the first Oscar nominated transgender person that I am aware of even though she was nominated as a female. I would not discriminate, and I’d go see a movie with her in it without thinking twice. I think there are some serious questions about the future of his career. Could be better than ever for all I know.

Seems like you’re the uptight person clicking on the post to start an argument.

How will the Oscar categories work now?

Time to scrap gender categories anyway I think. No reason women can't be competing against men in an acting contest.

Well...... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"Queer" has been around long before the internet. What is it if it isn't the opposite of "straight"?

First google for me shows up...

"a person whose sexual orientation or gender identity falls outside the heterosexual mainstream or the gender binary."

So what is a man married to a woman if not in the "heterosexual mainstream" - in other words, straight? And so queer is still the opposite of straight, after all.

Well...... wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

It's 'complicated' in the same way Flat Earth Theory is complicated. It's an illogical and nonsensical worldview.

It's not a theory, or illogical. You just need to grasp language is all, and what certain terms mean.

Terms mean what we choose them to mean. Trans sometimes use gender terms in ways that the mainstream don't; terms like "male" and "female" and gender pronouns. They have appropriated terms that have long meant certain things to the mainstream and said they now mean something different. You can understand why this may cause confusion if not resistance.

America's fury wrote:

I think it's unfortunate that he/she is just reinforcing gender stereotypes.

What, by presenting themselves in the polar opposite of what is expected from someone with XX chromosomes?

Normally we call that smashing stereotypes!

She looks like Bieber.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well...... wrote:

First google for me shows up...

"a person whose sexual orientation or gender identity falls outside the heterosexual mainstream or the gender binary."

So what is a man married to a woman if not in the "heterosexual mainstream" - in other words, straight? And so queer is still the opposite of straight, after all.

You're getting hung up again on the term "man". We'll get there one day! We normally actually do get a bit closer to understanding, after discussion, so I'm patient ;).

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well...... wrote:

It's not a theory, or illogical. You just need to grasp language is all, and what certain terms mean.

Terms mean what we choose them to mean. Trans sometimes use gender terms in ways that the mainstream don't; terms like "male" and "female" and gender pronouns. They have appropriated terms that have long meant certain things to the mainstream and said they now mean something different. You can understand why this may cause confusion if not resistance.

Terms have context. The context of "queer" certainly can mean what I said. If people choose to make it mean something else, and get confused, that's certainly their choice, but it's also reasonable to point out to people when it would appear they are misunderstanding.

"Queer" is just a special safe way to say I wasn't Born This Way.

To Quote Margaret Cho early in her career:

"Am I gay, am I straight.. and I realized, I am just slutty. Where is my parade."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=183l-qkr2_w

Well...... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So what is a man married to a woman if not in the "heterosexual mainstream" - in other words, straight? And so queer is still the opposite of straight, after all.

You're getting hung up again on the term "man". We'll get there one day! We normally actually do get a bit closer to understanding, after discussion, so I'm patient ;).

As a man I don't actually think I'm hung up on the term. I've never had cause to doubt what it means. But I do understand "heterosexual mainstream" to mean a man and a woman in the commonly accepted sense - which is biologically defined. Elliot Page is not a man according to that view, which is why I guess he calls himself trans and "queer", even though he is in a relationship with a woman.

Well...... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Terms mean what we choose them to mean. Trans sometimes use gender terms in ways that the mainstream don't; terms like "male" and "female" and gender pronouns. They have appropriated terms that have long meant certain things to the mainstream and said they now mean something different. You can understand why this may cause confusion if not resistance.

Terms have context. The context of "queer" certainly can mean what I said. If people choose to make it mean something else, and get confused, that's certainly their choice, but it's also reasonable to point out to people when it would appear they are misunderstanding.

It might be easier to invent your own terms rather than insist on redefining those used by others. If 'white' and 'black' are made interchangeable terms they can lose all meaning - and so, in the same way, might the terms of 'male' and 'female', or 'he' and 'she'. As I said previously, a word that can mean anything ultimately means nothing.

bambam wrote:

Dr. Watson wrote:

How will the Oscar categories work now?

Time to scrap gender categories anyway I think. No reason women can't be competing against men in an acting contest.

It isn't about competitive fairness. We often have gender categories because gender is important to us; it is part of identity and how we see ourselves. That of course is also the point made by trans, that gender is important to their identity; it's just that their view of gender tends to be quite different from that of the mainstream.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well...... wrote:

Queer is different. Dig about on t'internet for a better understanding on the term.

"Queer" has been around long before the internet. What is it if it isn't the opposite of "straight"?

Reading your posts on here, I get that you're trying to play Mary contrarian. To which, i don't care, do ur thing.

I DO however want to point out that queer does NOT mean 'the opposite of straight.'

It typically means 'not hetereosexual cis gender.'

Elliott can be a trans man or a non-binary and still consider themself queer - even if married to a woman.

Simple as that.

That's like saying Muhammad Ali didn't win the olympic boxing title in 1960, Cassius Clay did. It really makes no difference, they're the same person just with different names (and in the case of Elliot and Caitlyn different gender identities)