Senator Rand Paul: "Once you have COVID immunity, throw your mask away and tell Fauci to take a leap"

And how would you address the fact of asymptomatic carriers?

If you quarantine only the sick, those people don't know they are sick, but under your plan, would still be out there infecting others in assemblies, markets, schools, etc. And likewise. people who are infected but haven't shown the symptoms yet would also be spreading the virus, and massively so.

[quote]Dwightarm wrote:

You can still be a carrier even if you are vaccinated.

Is that the latest BS?

I thought it was the finding of a new, really dangerous strain in Brazil.

What a virus. Like nothing the world has ever seen before. There's just no stopping it

I agree. And I'm still trying to find the data on all of the sick and dead travel workers, such as airline stewards/stewardesses, travel security, airport services, etc.

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Dwightarm wrote:

You can still be a carrier even if you are vaccinated.

Is that the latest BS?

I thought it was the finding of a new, really dangerous strain in Brazil.

What a virus. Like nothing the world has ever seen before. There's just no stopping it

It's the same pattern of goal post shifting.

These people bow at the alter of 'authority'. There is a long history of it, and terms derived from it... "useful idiots".

I had Covid 2.5 weeks ago. I now wear my mask for show and admittance into stores. I can’t be a carrier for at least 3 more months, and thus on me the mask serves zero purpose. I could cough on every single person in the grocery store from 2 inches away and none would get Covid. I guess I’m protecting them from any cold germs or whatever.

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Dwightarm wrote:

You can still be a carrier even if you are vaccinated.

Is that the latest BS?

I thought it was the finding of a new, really dangerous strain in Brazil.

What a virus. Like nothing the world has ever seen before. There's just no stopping it

“More contagious” doesn’t mean more fatal.

Viruses commonly mutate over time to become better at infecting. Similarly to how they make a jump from species to species.

Imagine, a portion of society bowing to 50 year gov bureaucrats, 'authority', who are surrounded by the worlds most evil people. This group contains some of the richest people on the planet, are instrumental in policy, and some are the worlds biggest psychological manipulators.

Truly twisted.

Imagine, a portion of society bowing to 50 year gov bureaucrats, 'authority', who are surrounded by the worlds most evil people. This group contains some of the richest people on the planet, are instrumental in policy, and some are the worlds biggest psychological manipulators.

Truly twisted.

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show pony wrote:

I had Covid 2.5 weeks ago. I now wear my mask for show and admittance into stores. I can’t be a carrier for at least 3 more months, and thus on me the mask serves zero purpose. I could cough on every single person in the grocery store from 2 inches away and none would get Covid. I guess I’m protecting them from any cold germs or whatever.

See, this makes no sense but has been promoted by public health official. It is part of the reason Cuomo sending recovered Covid patients back into the elderly was a massacre. You just had the virus and would be more likely to be spreading it than someone who has not yet been infected. Spread by healthy non ill people whom have not been infected is the farce. There is no evidence for this. Rather, people who have been sick would likely be shedding virus for a little while although I would guess if you are feeling well you are not likely to spread enough virus to do much trouble. Despite that, people who are ill or have recently been infected are the ones whom wearing a mask should help, although if you are ill you should stay home in quarantine and not even go out into public places.

If people are sick they would know they are sick; you assumption is a bad one as if they don't have illness they are not producing enough virus and expelling it to be a problem. Asymptomatic carriers and spread are not a facts, they are opinions and bad unproven assumptions used to explain why quarantine and contact tracing were not working early on; they likely did not work early on because the virus was already all over the place. There is no evidence for asymptomatic spread for this type of virus; of course it likely occurs at low levels but typically there is not enough viral load for this sort of concept to be the primary driver of spread.

Dwightarm wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Dwightarm wrote:

You can still be a carrier even if you are vaccinated.

Is that the latest BS?

I thought it was the finding of a new, really dangerous strain in Brazil.

What a virus. Like nothing the world has ever seen before. There's just no stopping it

“More contagious” doesn’t mean more fatal.

You are behind on the propaganda.

The more infectious strain was 1st found in England a few weeks ago and now is in the USA.

A more deadly variation was found in Brazil yesterday

The Unkle wrote:

“More contagious” doesn’t mean more fatal.

You are behind on the propaganda.

The more infectious strain was 1st found in England a few weeks ago and now is in the USA.

A more deadly variation was found in Brazil yesterday

I have seen no reports about a deadlier strain in Brazil, only the more contagious strain in Brazilian rain forests. Can’t seem to find anything via Google search either. If you have a credible source that describes it differently, I’d love to read about it.

Then why does the CDC say you are not contagious anymore after 10 days and can resume normal life? Are we supposed to quarantine people who got Covid for 3 months simply because they were once infected?

I have a cure for AIDS. Don’t have anal sex, don’t use drugs and don’t sleep with hookers. Fauci wants everyone in a mask because he is old and scared. His risk after vaccination is still higher than my risk without vaccination.

The CDC needs to say something. 10 days after you are better I would say is pretty safe, but you would be less likely to spread anything keeping your mask on then for a while rather than wearing a mask prior to ever getting sick. No, I don't think people should quarantine for 3 months, but two weeks is probably still in the zone of uncertainty with respect to what we know about the virus, less likely to be a problem but no guarantee ....the CDC does not emit truths, they are just making the best recommendations they can based on what they know.

Dwightarm wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

“More contagious” doesn’t mean more fatal.

You are behind on the propaganda.

The more infectious strain was 1st found in England a few weeks ago and now is in the USA.

A more deadly variation was found in Brazil yesterday

I have seen no reports about a deadlier strain in Brazil, only the more contagious strain in Brazilian rain forests. Can’t seem to find anything via Google search either. If you have a credible source that describes it differently, I’d love to read about it.

The Brazilian strain has miltiple protein mutations on its spike tips, and no one knows yet if it is more dangerous simply because the vaccines aren't designed for that configuration, and might not work as well. Watch Dr. Campbell's YT videos fron a couple of days ago.

It appears that people in Great Britian are catching their new strain quite easily, but after the vaccine, only a small proportion actually catch it again. And, of that small portion, only some of them are temporarily infectious enough to spread it to somebody else.

To the OP's point, yes, you can still be infectious even after getting both shots. You just don't feel very sick while you are fighting it off.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

If people are sick they would know they are sick; you assumption is a bad one as if they don't have illness they are not producing enough virus and expelling it to be a problem.

You're badly and dangerously wrong about this. People are most infectious in the 48 hours right before they start showing symptoms. Presymptomatic spread is a huge problem because people feel fine, go out and enjoy time with friends and family, and infect others. And because symptoms vary so widely, for some people it really is just the sniffles, and for others its deadly.

real info wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

If people are sick they would know they are sick; you assumption is a bad one as if they don't have illness they are not producing enough virus and expelling it to be a problem.

You're badly and dangerously wrong about this. People are most infectious in the 48 hours right before they start showing symptoms. Presymptomatic spread is a huge problem because people feel fine, go out and enjoy time with friends and family, and infect others. And because symptoms vary so widely, for some people it really is just the sniffles, and for others its deadly.

....or you could be misleading people with assumption based science? The jury is out on the level that asymptomatic/presymptomatic is a problem. First off, if you have the sniffles, that is symptomatic as most people only have a mild cold when they get a corona virus. If people are sick at all they should be wearing masks and trying to avoid people. If they are not, there is no evidence people are spreading the disease; there is plenty of conjecture and assumption yes. I don't know where you are getting the 48 hours presymptom # from but it makes no sense that that would be the most infectious time; from onset of symptoms through recovery is when people are shedding and spewing out the most virus in a way people would be expose. I believe people think people may spread the virus most when they are developing symptoms early on because they are likely still going out, so there is some truth to your 48 hrs, but it is very unlikely that people are most contagious at this point, there are most likely far less contagious at that point despite reasonable assumptions that people are more likely to spread things before they are sick prior to deciding to stay home. These are not the same things, one would be a fact based on the normal behavior of viruses and the other an assumption about people's behavior. So again, it all goes back to our failed response to this pandemic being in my opinion related to the fact that most solutions and policies have been dangerously based on assumption and guessing rather than data driven.

It seems pretty certain at this point that asymptomatic carriers can still spread the virus. But even if we go with your understanding that ‘the jury is out’ then a simple question is...Why not continue wearing the masks, just in case? If the science is indeed not certain but there remains the possibility, why not continue? Is it really so difficult to wear a simple mask?

The symptoms with COVID vary widely. In retrospect, my first symptoms were mild fatigue for a few days; I initially thought I had simply overdone it at the gym.

Other people had very different first symptoms ranging from migraine to diarrhea to muscle soreness to dizziness/confusion to loss of smell to sniffles.

People respond differently to the virus.