Dr. Scott Gottlieb: "Vaccination doesn't mean people can return to pre-Covid life" ??

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

Definitely good questions! There's a possibility you still get high viral load, just restricted to immune privileged environments, and that load results in significant asymptomatic transmissibility. Is the load in these environments way way higher in vaccinated individuals - allowing for a new type of asymptomatic spread? Who knows?

I will say that I think this idea doesn't really mesh with the current transmission model - I feel like we would be seeing more frequent asymptomatic super-spreaders and transmission from the reinfected.

Generally attenuated virus (vs. inactivated) give stronger immune responses because the chemical process of inactivation leads to modification of viral epitopes and lower affinity immunoglobulins against native epitopes upon infection. The mRNA vaccines allow for endogenous expression of the viral proteins and definitely select for very high affinity Igs. The inactivate viruses also have also been implicated in antibody-mediated enhancement for similar reasons - something we should also avoid with the mRNA and adenovirus vaccines!

[quote]trashcan wrote:

I would think that in the non-vaccinated infected population, the mucosal immunity and other systemic immunity would be fairly proportional, and systemic viral load and mucosal viral load would also be roughly proportional. My concern in the vaccinated population is that they would not be anything close to proportional.

This would mean that asymptomatic spread from non-immunized infected people would be coming from a population with generally low viral load and presumably low mucosal viral load. My concern is that vaccinated people could later get infected and have low to nonexistent systemic viral load but high mucosal viral load. I don’t think our existing data on Covid can you tell us much about that.

Arguing against my concern, I made the analogy of a crown fire above wet underbrush. I think that’s a pretty uncommon phenomenon.

Nope. You really love just making crap up. You are not a rational human being enough to be calling people irrational. Stop yourself, calm down, and go have a beer in your rich person hide out. The rest of us will get vaccinated, it will be good enough, and then we will get on with life and stop worrying about the drum of mentally ill rich people whom blown this virus out of proportion compared to all other real threats in the world. People need to make a rational effort to fight the virus and stop caving to the loud mentally ill caucus. It will be over enough by summer that your voice will be meaningless.

English, please. This IS Letsrun.

jamin wrote:

I warned you guys!

You also warned us that Covid was just the flu and now nearly half a million people are dead.

If people had taken precautions from the beginning, we wouldn't have had to deal with strict restrictions now. Those who are the biggest complainers about the things we have to do now in society are the ones who perpetuated the problem in the first place. Continuing to complain about vaccines, further precautions, etc will further perpetuate the issue.

If the OP and others were genuine and smart, they would do everything to support the vaccinations and the restrictions, which would end the restrictions they propose to dislike. Not doing so perpetuates the problem and reveals that the complaining about being oppressed and what not is completely disingenuous.

Why are you so attached to something that wasn't benefiting you, anyway? Or are you now happy to have something to blame other than your own shortcoming for lack of romantic interests and you're just riding that horse into the ground?

Here's what's happening once the vaccine gets widely distributed. We go back to normal life. Most people are sick of this now and there is no way you are keeping this farce going on the message of there is an off chance you could still get it and it wont be that bad. If my state, California, wants to continue to follow the "science" at that point me and millions of others will leave for states where you can actually live.

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

Plus, he has been racing (without a mask!) in recent months despite claiming that Washington State is a virtual prison colony and that the governor bans people from leaving their homes. Results and photo evidence on the link below:

https://www.wednesdaynightrunners.com/

He's a straight up BS artist.

I don't get how Jamin can be such a baby if they're holding races up in Washington. Here in Southern California there are no races. Races put up covid plans, social distanced starts, etc. then cancel a week before the race is scheduled to go off. Some races cancelled over half a year in advance (Big Sur marathon).

The covid-19 numbers keep going slowly up. I wish everyone who wasn't social distancing or wearing a mask would just get it already so the rest of us could go on with our lives. The numbers are going up so slowly though that there will be no herd immunity. The only hope for a return to normalcy is mass vaccination of our population.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Here's what's happening once the vaccine gets widely distributed. We go back to normal life. Most people are sick of this now and there is no way you are keeping this farce going on the message of there is an off chance you could still get it and it wont be that bad. If my state, California, wants to continue to follow the "science" at that point me and millions of others will leave for states where you can actually live.

Agreed

can I get change? wrote:

jamin wrote:

I warned you guys!

You also warned us that Covid was just the flu and now nearly half a million people are dead.

Actually, the mortality rate for people under 40 is about the same as the flu. Most of those dying are over 70, are obese, or have other serious health issues. But yeah, let's ruin the economy and our education system to protect the elderly - which is a group that's easily isolated.

bladerunner wrote:

can I get change? wrote:

You also warned us that Covid was just the flu and now nearly half a million people are dead.

Actually, the mortality rate for people under 40 is about the same as the flu. Most of those dying are over 70, are obese, or have other serious health issues. But yeah, let's ruin the economy and our education system to protect the elderly - which is a group that's easily isolated.

Yeah, but that would make too much sense. And of course we have someone about 80 that will be the next prez. So that will never happen. It's all a vehicle to bring in an agenda.

Gottlieb has an MD and did a residency in internal medicine. What's your background?

bladerunner wrote:

can I get change? wrote:

You also warned us that Covid was just the flu and now nearly half a million people are dead.

Actually, the mortality rate for people under 40 is about the same as the flu. Most of those dying are over 70, are obese, or have other serious health issues. But yeah, let's ruin the economy and our education system to protect the elderly - which is a group that's easily isolated.

oh so it's only a threat to about 150 million people

just listen to yourself dismiss 500,000 deaths and act like it's just the flu. BS level 11.

99% chance you are a conservative.

889 wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

Actually, the mortality rate for people under 40 is about the same as the flu. Most of those dying are over 70, are obese, or have other serious health issues. But yeah, let's ruin the economy and our education system to protect the elderly - which is a group that's easily isolated.

Yeah, but that would make too much sense. And of course we have someone about 80 that will be the next prez. So that will never happen. It's all a vehicle to bring in an agenda.

ok.......crazy person from the internet, glad you solved a global conspiracy with zero actual evidence. well done!

Now that you've solved this case, what's next? How will you fill your tie?

*time

Harambe wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

I don't know a single person who has become seriously ill by the virus.

Are you trying to insinuate the virus isn't serious because you haven't seen a serious case? At least the government stooges welding you in your house (lol) have more critical thinking than that.

Just because they say it’s serious over and over again. Moving goalpost around to fit the narratives etc.

I find it funny that you claim to dislike Boomers (Trumpet supporters, root of all social ills) yet constantly regurgitate COVID propaganda on a clownish level. “You’re a careless super spreader infecting the older populations. Must stay home for years to protect them”.

legend has it... wrote:

Dr. Scott Gottlieb: "Vaccination doesn't mean people can return to pre-Covid life" ??

WAAAAHHHHH dad says I can't play with my friends and I don't feel like understanding his reasoning waaaaahhhhh

Dude what are you missing out on?

Haha the c u c k of the day post goes to legend has it

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Here's what's happening once the vaccine gets widely distributed. We go back to normal life. Most people are sick of this now and there is no way you are keeping this farce going on the message of there is an off chance you could still get it and it wont be that bad. If my state, California, wants to continue to follow the "science" at that point me and millions of others will leave for states where you can actually live.

I’m not so sure. People in NY/MA have adopted a very “cold dead hands” attachment to masks.

911 false flag.

Patriot Act on the shelf brought into play. Three year sunset provision. Renewed continuously since then.

Covid.

Same thing?